SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE

voodooido · 11-26-2021, 10:23 AM

Defense is playing lights out. But they are also playing tired. They stay in the field 75% of the time. Trevor is not the qb this team needs from here on out. No talent at wr ot te. Offensive line is all banged up. No threats on offense whatsoever when Trevor is playing qb. There is no way book could be any worse. This season is over so let’s see what we have in him.

Boston Saint · 11-26-2021, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Defense is playing lights out. But they are also playing tired. They stay in the field 75% of the time. Trevor is not the qb this team needs from here on out. No talent at wr ot te. Offensive line is all banged up. No threats on offense whatsoever when Trevor is playing qb. There is no way book could be any worse. This season is over so let’s see what we have in him.

I’m not trying to be picky, but the D didn’t play that great IMO. The loss wasn’t on them by any means, but consider the following:

* Bills scores TDs on their first drives of game and half. The D can’t claim fatigue there.

* Team did not tackle well. Many players had lars YAC success.

* Not a lot of pressure on Allen and, when it came, he killed us on scrambles. That 3rd and long scramble was terrible.

Again, not their fault, but the large O issues are hiding D problems as well IMO.

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jnormand · 11-26-2021, 11:51 AM

Ugh...its too early for this. I'm gonna go back to bed.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Injuries. Simple.

Overwhelming Injuries which is not an excuse it's a factor.
And it is plain and simple..

def; factor- a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome.

And in our case a not so good outcome.

Rugby Saint II · 11-26-2021, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Overwhelming Injuries which is not an excuse it's a factor.
And it is plain and simple..

def; factor- a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome.

And in our case a not so good outcome.

It's not a just a factor. It's a fact that you are statistically losing winning percentage points when you go from starters to second stringers. Statics prove that your chance of winning go down. It's hard to play chess when you are left with nothing except pawns.

We're not just losing players, we are losing players at key positions QB, WR, RB, TE, and O-line. You can make up for losing a few starters but we've been devestated by inuries.

I've coached rugby teams who didn't stand a chance against the dominant regional teams. Winning all depends on the strength of the product that you trot out there. Sometime you are simply outmatched. However, My teams won plenty where they lost a few key players and we remained healthy.

AsylumGuido · 11-26-2021, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

EVERYTHING about this Team is wrong right now, maybe except for Demario Davis. Beloved Drew left, and yes, it was time for Drew to leave... And then? ZERO depth - No B Plan or even a C Plan. Didn't we "Plan" for this? Why not? and What next? Next Game, Dallas. Next Season, what? Cannot blame any one Player or even Coach at this point. This puts the Die Hard Fan in a yucky place.

I disagree. The Saints had tons of depth coming into the season. This was one of the deepest rosters we have ever had. But even the greatest depth does not have starting quality players at backup positions across the entire roster. Good depth means you can plug a hole here or there without missing a beat. It doesn't mean fielding quality backups at half of the positions keeps the potential anywhere near as viable as when true starters were in there.

At QB, yes, Drew left. But in Winston we had a very capable starter. A big step down, but a better option than many of the teams across the league. But there are not enough quality QB's to go three deep.

One injury can be overcome. Two can be handled with some difficulty on even the best of rosters. TEN key injuries cannot be overcome no matter how much backup ability the roster had. Those backups that were supporting the special teams are now trying to replace starters. In turn, the special teams are going to take a major hit.

Injuries are not an excuse. They are a very real reason that cannot be overcome when the volume reaches what we are dealing with now.

K Major · 11-26-2021, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m not trying to be picky, but the D didn’t play that great IMO. The loss wasn’t on them by any means, but consider the following:

* Bills scores TDs on their first drives of game and half. The D can’t claim fatigue there.

* Team did not tackle well. Many players had lars YAC success.

* Not a lot of pressure on Allen and, when it came, he killed us on scrambles. That 3rd and long scramble was terrible.

Again, not their fault, but the large O issues are hiding D problems as well IMO.

*

To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half.

We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play.

Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down.

We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome.

I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront.

It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't.

AsylumGuido · 11-26-2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half.

We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play.

Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down.

We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome.

I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront.

It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't.

Totally agree.

Boston Saint · 11-26-2021, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half.

We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play.

Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down.

We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome.

I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront.

It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't.

I’m not saying they didn’t outplay the offense. No doubt Those TOs kept the Saints in the game for a while. But they gave up a TD on drive 1. Were they tired then? They gave up a TD on first drive of second half. They shouldn’t be tired then. Brees commented a few times about their coverage breakdown and confusion before snaps. They frequently couldn’t get off the field on 3rd
down and didn’t tackle well. The Bills had been performing sub par offensively the previous 2 games. All my opinion, but the D was not very good.

blackangold · 11-26-2021, 05:28 PM

We should have kept Teddy, he would have had more time to develop and was very efficient when he started. However, even with him, we lack pass catchers, so it might have been a little better but not much.

11-26-2021, 10:23 AM	#11
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Defense is playing lights out. But they are also playing tired. They stay in the field 75% of the time. Trevor is not the qb this team needs from here on out. No talent at wr ot te. Offensive line is all banged up. No threats on offense whatsoever when Trevor is playing qb. There is no way book could be any worse. This season is over so let’s see what we have in him. neugey likes this.
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11-26-2021, 11:06 AM	#12
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by voodooido Defense is playing lights out. But they are also playing tired. They stay in the field 75% of the time. Trevor is not the qb this team needs from here on out. No talent at wr ot te. Offensive line is all banged up. No threats on offense whatsoever when Trevor is playing qb. There is no way book could be any worse. This season is over so let’s see what we have in him. I’m not trying to be picky, but the D didn’t play that great IMO. The loss wasn’t on them by any means, but consider the following: * Bills scores TDs on their first drives of game and half. The D can’t claim fatigue there. * Team did not tackle well. Many players had lars YAC success. * Not a lot of pressure on Allen and, when it came, he killed us on scrambles. That 3rd and long scramble was terrible. Again, not their fault, but the large O issues are hiding D problems as well IMO. * Sinner likes this.

11-26-2021, 11:51 AM	#13
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Ugh...its too early for this. I'm gonna go back to bed. RailBoss, Sinner and Thirty3 like this.

11-26-2021, 02:49 PM	#14
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by rezburna Injuries. Simple. Overwhelming Injuries which is not an excuse it's a factor. And it is plain and simple.. def; factor- a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome. And in our case a not so good outcome. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-26-2021, 03:18 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by RailBoss Overwhelming Injuries which is not an excuse it's a factor. And it is plain and simple.. def; factor- a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome. And in our case a not so good outcome. It's not a just a factor. It's a fact that you are statistically losing winning percentage points when you go from starters to second stringers. Statics prove that your chance of winning go down. It's hard to play chess when you are left with nothing except pawns. We're not just losing players, we are losing players at key positions QB, WR, RB, TE, and O-line. You can make up for losing a few starters but we've been devestated by inuries. I've coached rugby teams who didn't stand a chance against the dominant regional teams. Winning all depends on the strength of the product that you trot out there. Sometime you are simply outmatched. However, My teams won plenty where they lost a few key players and we remained healthy.
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11-26-2021, 03:48 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by Sinner EVERYTHING about this Team is wrong right now, maybe except for Demario Davis. Beloved Drew left, and yes, it was time for Drew to leave... And then? ZERO depth - No B Plan or even a C Plan. Didn't we "Plan" for this? Why not? and What next? Next Game, Dallas. Next Season, what? Cannot blame any one Player or even Coach at this point. This puts the Die Hard Fan in a yucky place. I disagree. The Saints had tons of depth coming into the season. This was one of the deepest rosters we have ever had. But even the greatest depth does not have starting quality players at backup positions across the entire roster. Good depth means you can plug a hole here or there without missing a beat. It doesn't mean fielding quality backups at half of the positions keeps the potential anywhere near as viable as when true starters were in there. At QB, yes, Drew left. But in Winston we had a very capable starter. A big step down, but a better option than many of the teams across the league. But there are not enough quality QB's to go three deep. One injury can be overcome. Two can be handled with some difficulty on even the best of rosters. TEN key injuries cannot be overcome no matter how much backup ability the roster had. Those backups that were supporting the special teams are now trying to replace starters. In turn, the special teams are going to take a major hit. Injuries are not an excuse. They are a very real reason that cannot be overcome when the volume reaches what we are dealing with now.
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11-26-2021, 04:02 PM	#17
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m not trying to be picky, but the D didn’t play that great IMO. The loss wasn’t on them by any means, but consider the following: * Bills scores TDs on their first drives of game and half. The D can’t claim fatigue there. * Team did not tackle well. Many players had lars YAC success. * Not a lot of pressure on Allen and, when it came, he killed us on scrambles. That 3rd and long scramble was terrible. Again, not their fault, but the large O issues are hiding D problems as well IMO. * To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half. We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play. Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down. We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome. I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront. It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't. AsylumGuido and SaintGnome like this.

11-26-2021, 04:52 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by K Major To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half. We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play. Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down. We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome. I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront. It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't. Totally agree.

11-26-2021, 05:07 PM	#19
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by K Major To me, the DEFENSE was the only reason we weren't out of it at the half. We forced a very good Bills QB to throw 2 picks. I thought that int by Kwon towards the end of the half was all effort. Incredible play. Side note - saw a stat line .. Saints defense was on the field for 36 minutes last night. Those guys simply wore down. We have a low-energy offense. NO QB, WR, or RB is a ton to overcome. I can't be mad at Trevor ... he is what he is & I didn't expect him to save us but he sure as hell didn't get much help upfront. It could get ugly vs Dallas. They can put up points and we can't. I’m not saying they didn’t outplay the offense. No doubt Those TOs kept the Saints in the game for a while. But they gave up a TD on drive 1. Were they tired then? They gave up a TD on first drive of second half. They shouldn’t be tired then. Brees commented a few times about their coverage breakdown and confusion before snaps. They frequently couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down and didn’t tackle well. The Bills had been performing sub par offensively the previous 2 games. All my opinion, but the D was not very good.
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11-26-2021, 05:28 PM	#20
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE We should have kept Teddy, he would have had more time to develop and was very efficient when he started. However, even with him, we lack pass catchers, so it might have been a little better but not much. SaintGnome likes this.