SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE

Sinner · 11-25-2021, 10:45 PM

EVERYTHING about this Team is wrong right now, maybe except for Demario Davis. Beloved Drew left, and yes, it was time for Drew to leave... And then? ZERO depth - No B Plan or even a C Plan. Didn't we "Plan" for this? Why not? and What next? Next Game, Dallas. Next Season, what? Cannot blame any one Player or even Coach at this point. This puts the Die Hard Fan in a yucky place.

BakoSaint · 11-25-2021, 11:16 PM

Fire Mickey Loomis. He is an accountant adept at cap tricks that only push back cap hell so we never get out of it. He may not be making all the football decisions, but we need a real GM who can give Payton something other than daddys credit card to blow our cap. We need a GM who understands football and can think long term. Payton is a great coach on the field but not a GM with long term wisdom for building a team, and Loomis is an accountant whose skills might be better suited to laundering money for the cartel.

Sinner · 11-25-2021, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Fire Mickey Loomis. He is an accountant adept at cap tricks that only push back cap hell so we never get out of it. He may not be making all the football decisions, but we need a real GM who can give Payton something other than daddys credit card to blow our cap. We need a GM who understands football and can think long term. Payton is a great coach on the field but not a GM with long term wisdom for building a team, and Loomis is an accountant whose skills might be better suited to laundering money for the cartel.

Salient points.

TheOak · 11-26-2021, 03:32 AM

Guys.... Before you judge someone else's qualifications to judge talent, first be sure you your self are qualified to judge.

Sinner · 11-26-2021, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Guys.... Before you judge someone else's qualifications to judge talent, first be sure you your self are qualified to judge.

Good point. I HAVE been drinking a bit heavily during the last few games, so my ability to judge talent, or to judge the qualifications of those who are qualified to judge talent, may have been impaired. But it's been sobering, to say the least.

Cruize · 11-26-2021, 05:57 AM

They have paid a lot of money to people who deserved and earned it. They have made a couple mistakes like Peat and Hill. They have had horrible luck with Kamara, Ram, Lutz and Winston. Davenport was a miss. Turner was a miss. Thomas was a monumental failure. Life after Brees was guaranteed to be rocky.

SaintGnome · 11-26-2021, 06:49 AM

I'm sorry but this was a Super Bowl quality team who just won the division 4 in a years row, The team that's lost #1 WR, #1 #2 RB, #1 and #2 QB and how many other important injuries? Everyone knows (or should know) that we went all in the last three years to try and win another with Drew. Did you think that kind of spending could last? So we took some losses Sanders, the big defensive lineman I forget his name at the moment, and Jack rabbit.
Fact is whether or not Mickey is a "football guy", which I give him a little more credit than you obviously do. Mickey has been playing the CAP like a virtuoso for years making moves when there didn't look like there was any money to be found. So what if we're having a bad year? You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The Dude · 11-26-2021, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I'm sorry but this was a Super Bowl quality team who just won the division 4 in a years row, The team that's lost #1 WR, #1 #2 RB, #1 and #2 QB and how many other important injuries? Everyone knows (or should know) that we went all in the last three years to try and win another with Drew. Did you think that kind of spending could last? So we took some losses Sanders, the big defensive lineman I forget his name at the moment, and Jack rabbit.
Fact is whether or not Mickey is a "football guy", which I give him a little more credit than you obviously do. Mickey has been playing the CAP like a virtuoso for years making moves when there didn't look like there was any money to be found. So what if we're having a bad year? You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Would you rather have them pinching pennies while we were in a win now scenario with a Qb who could take us to the Super Bowl? Had he not gone all in it likely we don’t win the division 4 years running. We had a legitimate shot up until last year to win it all, it just didn’t work out. It happens, Super Bowls are hard to win but I would rather be in the position to win one and Loomis was a huge part of that. At some point you are going to have some down years, it was bound to happen. The Pats went through it last year and now it’s our turn.
To think this was gonna be a seamless transition is short sighted.

SaintGnome · 11-26-2021, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Would you rather have them pinching pennies while we were in a win now scenario with a Qb who could take us to the Super Bowl? Had he not gone all in it likely we don’t win the division 4 years running. We had a legitimate shot up until last year to win it all, it just didn’t work out. It happens, Super Bowls are hard to win but I would rather be in the position to win one and Loomis was a huge part of that. At some point you are going to have some down years, it was bound to happen. The Pats went through it last year and now it’s our turn.
To think this was gonna be a seamless transition is short sighted.

Are you sure you read my points dude?

The Dude · 11-26-2021, 07:17 AM

We were one of the most successful teams in the NFL for over a decade. Not many teams in the NFL ever get to experience that. It had to come at a cost and now it’s time to pay up, and I’m ok with that. Coach is doing the best he can with what he has and I don’t think any other coach/front office in the league could do better. As long as we have the same coach and management we will be on top again, even if it takes a few years. The only glaring mistake they made was not finding a legit number 2 receiver. Smith was supposed to be that guy. Nobody could foresee Thomas growing a vagina.

11-25-2021, 10:45 PM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,046	SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE EVERYTHING about this Team is wrong right now, maybe except for Demario Davis. Beloved Drew left, and yes, it was time for Drew to leave... And then? ZERO depth - No B Plan or even a C Plan. Didn't we "Plan" for this? Why not? and What next? Next Game, Dallas. Next Season, what? Cannot blame any one Player or even Coach at this point. This puts the Die Hard Fan in a yucky place.
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11-25-2021, 11:16 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,308	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Fire Mickey Loomis. He is an accountant adept at cap tricks that only push back cap hell so we never get out of it. He may not be making all the football decisions, but we need a real GM who can give Payton something other than daddys credit card to blow our cap. We need a GM who understands football and can think long term. Payton is a great coach on the field but not a GM with long term wisdom for building a team, and Loomis is an accountant whose skills might be better suited to laundering money for the cartel.
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11-25-2021, 11:27 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,046	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by BakoSaint Fire Mickey Loomis. He is an accountant adept at cap tricks that only push back cap hell so we never get out of it. He may not be making all the football decisions, but we need a real GM who can give Payton something other than daddys credit card to blow our cap. We need a GM who understands football and can think long term. Payton is a great coach on the field but not a GM with long term wisdom for building a team, and Loomis is an accountant whose skills might be better suited to laundering money for the cartel. Salient points.
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11-26-2021, 03:32 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Guys.... Before you judge someone else's qualifications to judge talent, first be sure you your self are qualified to judge. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.

11-26-2021, 03:52 AM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,046	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by TheOak Guys.... Before you judge someone else's qualifications to judge talent, first be sure you your self are qualified to judge. Good point. I HAVE been drinking a bit heavily during the last few games, so my ability to judge talent, or to judge the qualifications of those who are qualified to judge talent, may have been impaired. But it's been sobering, to say the least. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.
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11-26-2021, 05:57 AM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE They have paid a lot of money to people who deserved and earned it. They have made a couple mistakes like Peat and Hill. They have had horrible luck with Kamara, Ram, Lutz and Winston. Davenport was a miss. Turner was a miss. Thomas was a monumental failure. Life after Brees was guaranteed to be rocky.
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11-26-2021, 06:49 AM	#7
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE I'm sorry but this was a Super Bowl quality team who just won the division 4 in a years row, The team that's lost #1 WR, #1 #2 RB, #1 and #2 QB and how many other important injuries? Everyone knows (or should know) that we went all in the last three years to try and win another with Drew. Did you think that kind of spending could last? So we took some losses Sanders, the big defensive lineman I forget his name at the moment, and Jack rabbit. Fact is whether or not Mickey is a "football guy", which I give him a little more credit than you obviously do. Mickey has been playing the CAP like a virtuoso for years making moves when there didn't look like there was any money to be found. So what if we're having a bad year? You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. jnormand, Rugby Saint II, stickman and 1 others like this.

11-26-2021, 06:44 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by SaintGnome I'm sorry but this was a Super Bowl quality team who just won the division 4 in a years row, The team that's lost #1 WR, #1 #2 RB, #1 and #2 QB and how many other important injuries? Everyone knows (or should know) that we went all in the last three years to try and win another with Drew. Did you think that kind of spending could last? So we took some losses Sanders, the big defensive lineman I forget his name at the moment, and Jack rabbit. Fact is whether or not Mickey is a "football guy", which I give him a little more credit than you obviously do. Mickey has been playing the CAP like a virtuoso for years making moves when there didn't look like there was any money to be found. So what if we're having a bad year? You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Would you rather have them pinching pennies while we were in a win now scenario with a Qb who could take us to the Super Bowl? Had he not gone all in it likely we don’t win the division 4 years running. We had a legitimate shot up until last year to win it all, it just didn’t work out. It happens, Super Bowls are hard to win but I would rather be in the position to win one and Loomis was a huge part of that. At some point you are going to have some down years, it was bound to happen. The Pats went through it last year and now it’s our turn. To think this was gonna be a seamless transition is short sighted.
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11-26-2021, 06:49 PM	#9
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE Originally Posted by The Dude Would you rather have them pinching pennies while we were in a win now scenario with a Qb who could take us to the Super Bowl? Had he not gone all in it likely we don’t win the division 4 years running. We had a legitimate shot up until last year to win it all, it just didn’t work out. It happens, Super Bowls are hard to win but I would rather be in the position to win one and Loomis was a huge part of that. At some point you are going to have some down years, it was bound to happen. The Pats went through it last year and now it’s our turn. To think this was gonna be a seamless transition is short sighted. Are you sure you read my points dude?

11-26-2021, 07:17 AM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: SEEMS LIKE A "MANAGEMENT" ISSUE We were one of the most successful teams in the NFL for over a decade. Not many teams in the NFL ever get to experience that. It had to come at a cost and now it’s time to pay up, and I’m ok with that. Coach is doing the best he can with what he has and I don’t think any other coach/front office in the league could do better. As long as we have the same coach and management we will be on top again, even if it takes a few years. The only glaring mistake they made was not finding a legit number 2 receiver. Smith was supposed to be that guy. Nobody could foresee Thomas growing a vagina. iceshack149, jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 5 others like this.
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