Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys

K Major · 12-03-2021, 08:50 AM

I mentioned the defense in my previous post ...

Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go.

PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short.

Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup.

Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game.

Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season.

That blindside block penalty from the refs

... smdh.

neugey · 12-03-2021, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I mentioned the defense in my previous post ...

Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go.

PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short.

Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup.

Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game.

Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season.

That blindside block penalty from the refs ... smdh.

Agree will all points and we need to give props to the defense - we made the Cowboys one-dimensional and that was what kept the game within reach. Just the one Pollard TD run got us, and that was just a great play by him, somewhat Kamara-like.

saintfan · 12-03-2021, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I mentioned the defense in my previous post ...

Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go.

PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short.

Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup.

Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game.

Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season.

That blindside block penalty from the refs ... smdh.

We were making a LOT of people nervous. Then that inexplicable flag for...blocking...

Imagine that they couldn't find a real foul but they needed (desperately) to put an end to the momentum Hill had built.

So, a flag that nobody can explain, drive killed. Game over. People, a subtle call like that affects the whole game. That's all it takes.

Somebody gonna tell me a professional NFL official actually saw a foul on that play?

Bull

stickman · 12-03-2021, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

We were making a LOT of people nervous. Then that inexplicable flag for...blocking...

That call was so bad even Buck and Aickman said it was a bad call. Which I will say this for Aickman, he likes it when they let them play.

K Major · 12-03-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

That call was so bad even Buck and Aickman said it was a bad call. Which I will say this for Aickman, he likes it when they let them play.

+1.

And this is why Troy doesn’t really bother me as a color analyst. He was a tough football player and didn’t whine on the gridiron. Old school.

Today’s league & refs are ruining our sport.

AsylumGuido · 12-03-2021, 03:14 PM

Charlie Weis made a very good observation during the day yesterday prior to the game. He said given the Saints current state of affairs with all of the injuries they really didn't stand much of a chance facing the Cowboys, but he stressed that it is ten days until they play next and they have a very good chance of having six starters back in the lineup. He went through the remaining schedule and said the Saints have a very realistic chance of winning four of the last five games (Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, and Falcons) and at 9-8 have a very good chance of making the playoffs. Most of the other teams alive with be playing each other or the Saints and will suffer some losses.

As for observations from the game, I was enthused by Hill's performance. He gave the team a spark they haven't had recently. The Cowboys made some great defensive plays and Taysom was forced to force some throws late. The defense played a very solid game and will only get better with the return of Davenport and hopefully Ceedy. Once again, drops came into play in a very bad way. Stills is less than useless. Ingram clearly wasn't healthy yet. Overall tackling was much better.

Back to Hill ... he is not the QB of the future. We may not find that for a couple of years. It's my understanding that the draft class is void of top end QB prospects. But, Taysom can keep us more competitive than Siemian in the interim. I believe he will improve given the chance to keep playing and keeps the defense honest with his threat of the run.

ChrisXVI · 12-03-2021, 09:26 AM

Re-sign Jameis, draft WR Garrett Wilson and sign a TE (maybe OJ Howard?). Callaway can go back to the slot where he looked better his rookie year.

K Major · 12-03-2021, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Re-sign Jameis, draft WR Garrett Wilson and sign a TE (maybe OJ Howard?). Callaway can go back to the slot where he looked better his rookie year.

Facts.

I'd also look for one in Free Agency. Doesn't have to be a big "name" but a guy who is hungry, can run routes, create separation on a consistent basis & a player willing to make the difficult catch in traffic.

The off-season will be interesting.

papz · 12-03-2021, 09:42 AM

I'd like to see us go QB/WR with our first two picks. Sam Howell fan here and WR is typically a deep position that we can still address early.

leilung · 12-03-2021, 09:46 AM

My takes on last night:
Parsons is a beast and he is the real deal.
Diggs is good but he's believing the hype and can be had as we saw several times with average receivers.
Lamb is quick and can shake DB's on those out routes that were killing us all night. Two high zone on 3rd downs was not cutting it.
Harris was the star of that WR corps last night. Aside for a couple drops, he and Vannett kept most of the passing game alive.
O line functioned pretty well as a unit most of the night in spite of being a patchwork solution.
D front 7 shut down the run game effectively with the exception of that ridiculous long run by Pollard. (WTF, was up with Williams letting him run the sideline like that when he had the angle? Was he afraid of whiffing a solo tackle? Again?)
Then there was Taysom. His rushing was nothing short of glorious and Dallas had little answer for it. Kudos. But then, when he had to pass the ball? 1) Staring down your receivers; 2) No touch; 3) Short arming passes; 4) Throwing into double coverage; 5)When there were receivers open (which, surprisingly, they were several times last night), inability to lead them on crossing and fade routes to hit them in stride.

Short of some radical changes, Taysom is NOT the answer at QB. I wasn't thrilled with JW at first, but he proved he could move and score with this Offense. The front office would better serve the team short term by securing Winston. Otherwise, I see a long and painful walk to NFL relevance again.

To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's Joker: This offense needs an enema!

12-03-2021, 08:50 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys I mentioned the defense in my previous post ... Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go. PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short. Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup. Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game. Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season. That blindside block penalty from the refs ... smdh. jnormand, neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-03-2021, 08:56 AM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Originally Posted by K Major I mentioned the defense in my previous post ... Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go. PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short. Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup. Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game. Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season. That blindside block penalty from the refs ... smdh. Agree will all points and we need to give props to the defense - we made the Cowboys one-dimensional and that was what kept the game within reach. Just the one Pollard TD run got us, and that was just a great play by him, somewhat Kamara-like. Boutte, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

12-03-2021, 12:16 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Originally Posted by K Major I mentioned the defense in my previous post ... Kwon Alexander - thought he covered and tackled well. Extremely stout against the run. Zeke had nowhere to go. PJ Williams - he gets raged on more than most but he's an excellent tackler in space. Lamb probably wondering what Mack truck hit him on that 3rd and short. Lattimore - stats say he gave up 6 receptions, but they were minimal yardard gained. Not to mention pass breakups on Gallup. Offensively, Nick Vannett showed up. Brings physicality to the position we have been missing & was good in the screen game. Business as usual for Deonte' Harris and Blake G. > Ballers all season. That blindside block penalty from the refs ... smdh. We were making a LOT of people nervous. Then that inexplicable flag for...blocking... Imagine that they couldn't find a real foul but they needed (desperately) to put an end to the momentum Hill had built. So, a flag that nobody can explain, drive killed. Game over. People, a subtle call like that affects the whole game. That's all it takes. Somebody gonna tell me a professional NFL official actually saw a foul on that play? Bull iceshack149, jnormand, turbo_dog and 3 others like this.
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12-03-2021, 12:30 PM	#4
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,801	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Originally Posted by saintfan We were making a LOT of people nervous. Then that inexplicable flag for...blocking... That call was so bad even Buck and Aickman said it was a bad call. Which I will say this for Aickman, he likes it when they let them play. RailBoss, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-03-2021, 01:29 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Originally Posted by stickman That call was so bad even Buck and Aickman said it was a bad call. Which I will say this for Aickman, he likes it when they let them play. +1. And this is why Troy doesn’t really bother me as a color analyst. He was a tough football player and didn’t whine on the gridiron. Old school. Today’s league & refs are ruining our sport. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-03-2021, 03:14 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Charlie Weis made a very good observation during the day yesterday prior to the game. He said given the Saints current state of affairs with all of the injuries they really didn't stand much of a chance facing the Cowboys, but he stressed that it is ten days until they play next and they have a very good chance of having six starters back in the lineup. He went through the remaining schedule and said the Saints have a very realistic chance of winning four of the last five games (Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, and Falcons) and at 9-8 have a very good chance of making the playoffs. Most of the other teams alive with be playing each other or the Saints and will suffer some losses. As for observations from the game, I was enthused by Hill's performance. He gave the team a spark they haven't had recently. The Cowboys made some great defensive plays and Taysom was forced to force some throws late. The defense played a very solid game and will only get better with the return of Davenport and hopefully Ceedy. Once again, drops came into play in a very bad way. Stills is less than useless. Ingram clearly wasn't healthy yet. Overall tackling was much better. Back to Hill ... he is not the QB of the future. We may not find that for a couple of years. It's my understanding that the draft class is void of top end QB prospects. But, Taysom can keep us more competitive than Siemian in the interim. I believe he will improve given the chance to keep playing and keeps the defense honest with his threat of the run. neugey and stickman like this.
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12-03-2021, 09:26 AM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Re-sign Jameis, draft WR Garrett Wilson and sign a TE (maybe OJ Howard?). Callaway can go back to the slot where he looked better his rookie year. RailBoss, Boutte, leilung and 2 others like this.

12-03-2021, 09:29 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Re-sign Jameis, draft WR Garrett Wilson and sign a TE (maybe OJ Howard?). Callaway can go back to the slot where he looked better his rookie year. Facts. I'd also look for one in Free Agency. Doesn't have to be a big "name" but a guy who is hungry, can run routes, create separation on a consistent basis & a player willing to make the difficult catch in traffic. The off-season will be interesting. ChrisXVI likes this.

12-03-2021, 09:42 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys I'd like to see us go QB/WR with our first two picks. Sam Howell fan here and WR is typically a deep position that we can still address early.

12-03-2021, 09:46 AM	#10
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Cowboys My takes on last night: Parsons is a beast and he is the real deal. Diggs is good but he's believing the hype and can be had as we saw several times with average receivers. Lamb is quick and can shake DB's on those out routes that were killing us all night. Two high zone on 3rd downs was not cutting it. Harris was the star of that WR corps last night. Aside for a couple drops, he and Vannett kept most of the passing game alive. O line functioned pretty well as a unit most of the night in spite of being a patchwork solution. D front 7 shut down the run game effectively with the exception of that ridiculous long run by Pollard. (WTF, was up with Williams letting him run the sideline like that when he had the angle? Was he afraid of whiffing a solo tackle? Again?) Then there was Taysom. His rushing was nothing short of glorious and Dallas had little answer for it. Kudos. But then, when he had to pass the ball? 1) Staring down your receivers; 2) No touch; 3) Short arming passes; 4) Throwing into double coverage; 5)When there were receivers open (which, surprisingly, they were several times last night), inability to lead them on crossing and fade routes to hit them in stride. Short of some radical changes, Taysom is NOT the answer at QB. I wasn't thrilled with JW at first, but he proved he could move and score with this Offense. The front office would better serve the team short term by securing Winston. Otherwise, I see a long and painful walk to NFL relevance again. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's Joker: This offense needs an enema! neugey, Boutte, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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