AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD.

keithday123 · 12-27-2021, 11:41 PM

No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament.

Sinner · 12-27-2021, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by keithday123

No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament.

"Playoffs?!? Are you kiddin me?!?!?" LOL

saintfan · 12-27-2021, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by keithday123

No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament.

Agreed. Our coaches this year have all but worked a miracle. I have little interest in the playoffs now for a few weeks. Always fun to hope of course. This team just needs a lot of work. Any real shot we had (in my opinion) went down with Jameis, but he was playing with one hand tied behind his back and a WR group that can't even catch covid...

SmashMouth · 12-28-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Agreed. Our coaches this year have all but worked a miracle. I have little interest in the playoffs now for a few weeks. Always fun to hope of course. This team just needs a lot of work. Any real shot we had (in my opinion) went down with Jameis, but he was playing with one hand tied behind his back and a WR group that can't even catch covid...

Well... To be fair, someone caught them some Covid.

saintfan · 12-28-2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Well... To be fair, someone caught them some Covid.

They caught it...and dropped it.

I swear give me MT, Calloway, and everybody else is either on notice or (why bother) gone. Include Smith. I believe he got hurt again last night...or maybe it was a career decision. I am not a fan.

K Major · 12-28-2021, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

They caught it...and dropped it.

I swear give me MT, Calloway, and everybody else is either on notice or (why bother) gone. Include Smith. I believe he got hurt again last night...or maybe it was a career decision. I am not a fan.

Last week he was popped by Lavante' David early in the first quarter, then disappeared. Saw him briefly last night but even before he got "hurt", non-factor.

If the Saints want to improve their WR core in 2022, you let him walk in Free Agency. We need a young dawg who can move the chains & catch tough passes in traffic.

Collectively, the worst WR group Sean Payton has ever had in NO.

keithday123 · 12-27-2021, 11:50 PM

It was ugly tonight, no question. However, glass half full, are defense has been pretty bad a— since the Buffalo game. Even against Dallas our defense played well enough to win. They have only given up 3 touchdowns in last 4 games. I don’t care who you play that is legit.

BakoSaint · 12-27-2021, 11:52 PM

We need to realize that we can’t stay in perpetual win now mode forever. At some point we need Mickey Loomis or his successor to work some cap magic to accelerate more of Peat and Thomas’s salary to nearer years with a restructured contract to free up money long term so that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. At some point we need to trade some veterans in their prime for picks no extend then with record deals, a formula that has been successful over the years in new england. At some point we need to trade back in the draft, realizing we need more depth because we are not just one player away. We haven’t begun rebuilding, we have still been restructuring contracts to free up every dollar to win now with no regard to tomorrow. We need to realize its time to rebuild. Not to double down on veterans like peat, thomas, and hill who if they have one good year left, it will probably come too soon for when we can get out of cap hell to put a team around them.

keithday123 · 12-27-2021, 11:58 PM

Thomas, smith, armstead and peat need to go. On the defensive side I would let Davenport walk. I know it’s tough because he’s playing well but the guy just doesn’t stay healthy. See Christian mccaffery. But all is for not if you don’t have the right guy directing the offense. Not sure who that will be but that is priority one right now. Who would y’all like to see. I’m all in on care or Wilson just not sure if we could afford either one.

K Major · 12-28-2021, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by keithday123

On the defensive side I would let Davenport walk. I know it’s tough because he’s playing well but the guy just doesn’t stay healthy. See Christian mccaffery. But all is for not if you don’t have the right guy directing the offense. Not sure who that will be but that is priority one right now. Who would y’all like to see. I’m all in on care or Wilson just not sure if we could afford either one.

Not happening with Davenport. Premium pass rushers are hard to come by & no way the Saints brass will allow him to walk.

Wilson, ARod, probably pipe dreams + it's gonna cost you too much draft capital. Thomas isn't going anywhere but I'd let Trequan & Stills walk.

Get better O-line depth & draft another G. The Saints offseason will be interesting.

12-27-2021, 11:41 PM	#1
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament. saintfan, turbo_dog, Rsanders24 and 8 others like this.
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12-27-2021, 11:45 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by keithday123 No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament. "Playoffs?!? Are you kiddin me?!?!?" LOL Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.
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12-27-2021, 11:48 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by keithday123 No team in the NFL can account for losing your starting qb for the year and then your backup for 4 weeks after that. You basically were stuck with your 3rd stringer, Semien, making 4 starts. I’m not a taysom as qb fan but even I’m realistic enough to realize that if we had had him for any of those 4 games we lost before his first start that we may have gotten at least two of those. That puts you at 8 maybe 9 wins right now with a backup qb, injuries everywhere, hurricane relocation and Covid wipeout. Not to mention our caps situation before the season. Yes this was ugly, but it could be much worse considering everything I just mentioned. We have two weeks left a real legitimate shot at a playoff spot. You can’t consider this season a failure if this team gets in the tournament. Agreed. Our coaches this year have all but worked a miracle. I have little interest in the playoffs now for a few weeks. Always fun to hope of course. This team just needs a lot of work. Any real shot we had (in my opinion) went down with Jameis, but he was playing with one hand tied behind his back and a WR group that can't even catch covid... Rsanders24, SmashMouth, mapcow and 1 others like this.

12-28-2021, 09:23 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by saintfan Agreed. Our coaches this year have all but worked a miracle. I have little interest in the playoffs now for a few weeks. Always fun to hope of course. This team just needs a lot of work. Any real shot we had (in my opinion) went down with Jameis, but he was playing with one hand tied behind his back and a WR group that can't even catch covid... Well... To be fair, someone caught them some Covid. saintfan likes this.

12-28-2021, 02:23 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by SmashMouth Well... To be fair, someone caught them some Covid. They caught it...and dropped it. I swear give me MT, Calloway, and everybody else is either on notice or (why bother) gone. Include Smith. I believe he got hurt again last night...or maybe it was a career decision. I am not a fan. K Major likes this.

12-28-2021, 03:49 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by saintfan They caught it...and dropped it. I swear give me MT, Calloway, and everybody else is either on notice or (why bother) gone. Include Smith. I believe he got hurt again last night...or maybe it was a career decision. I am not a fan. Last week he was popped by Lavante' David early in the first quarter, then disappeared. Saw him briefly last night but even before he got "hurt", non-factor. If the Saints want to improve their WR core in 2022, you let him walk in Free Agency. We need a young dawg who can move the chains & catch tough passes in traffic. Collectively, the worst WR group Sean Payton has ever had in NO. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

12-27-2021, 11:50 PM	#7
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. It was ugly tonight, no question. However, glass half full, are defense has been pretty bad a— since the Buffalo game. Even against Dallas our defense played well enough to win. They have only given up 3 touchdowns in last 4 games. I don’t care who you play that is legit. Sinner likes this.
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12-27-2021, 11:52 PM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. We need to realize that we can’t stay in perpetual win now mode forever. At some point we need Mickey Loomis or his successor to work some cap magic to accelerate more of Peat and Thomas’s salary to nearer years with a restructured contract to free up money long term so that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. At some point we need to trade some veterans in their prime for picks no extend then with record deals, a formula that has been successful over the years in new england. At some point we need to trade back in the draft, realizing we need more depth because we are not just one player away. We haven’t begun rebuilding, we have still been restructuring contracts to free up every dollar to win now with no regard to tomorrow. We need to realize its time to rebuild. Not to double down on veterans like peat, thomas, and hill who if they have one good year left, it will probably come too soon for when we can get out of cap hell to put a team around them. Sinner likes this.
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12-27-2021, 11:58 PM	#9
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Thomas, smith, armstead and peat need to go. On the defensive side I would let Davenport walk. I know it’s tough because he’s playing well but the guy just doesn’t stay healthy. See Christian mccaffery. But all is for not if you don’t have the right guy directing the offense. Not sure who that will be but that is priority one right now. Who would y’all like to see. I’m all in on care or Wilson just not sure if we could afford either one.
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12-28-2021, 12:20 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by keithday123 On the defensive side I would let Davenport walk. I know it’s tough because he’s playing well but the guy just doesn’t stay healthy. See Christian mccaffery. But all is for not if you don’t have the right guy directing the offense. Not sure who that will be but that is priority one right now. Who would y’all like to see. I’m all in on care or Wilson just not sure if we could afford either one. Not happening with Davenport. Premium pass rushers are hard to come by & no way the Saints brass will allow him to walk. Wilson, ARod, probably pipe dreams + it's gonna cost you too much draft capital. Thomas isn't going anywhere but I'd let Trequan & Stills walk. Get better O-line depth & draft another G. The Saints offseason will be interesting. saintfan, iceshack149, jnormand and 4 others like this.