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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint Antonio Brown quit on his team mid game by refusing to respond to orders to take the field while dealing with a week-to-week ankle injury. Michael Thomas quit on his team in the offseason for a ...
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01-05-2022, 12:42 PM | #11 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
I give you credit bako. I was originally thinking our post was going to be pretty faulty to be honest. But I took time to think before I responded and Inwas
wrong. Although I still believe in CGM more than you do, you obviously got me thinking. I posted in another thread that The possibility of Thomas opposite brown with a chip on his shoulder against Ariens was “terrible”. Obviously that would be a great combo on paper. I just think some team will pay him more than a minimum contract. |
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01-05-2022, 01:13 PM | #12 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
I think Its unlikely that Michael Thomas will never play another snap. But I worry that when he comes back, the chronic injury issue and the unpredictable personality issue create a double threat to make his return brief and costly. The injury has been hard to heal so he could become the next cameron meredith or titan julio jones. Maybe Terrelle Pryor is another good analogy of a promising younger receiver whose career imploded after an ankle injury. But it seems like he has created more drama than AB had at a similar stage in their careers so he could also go the AB route. Combine the two and its also possible a bad attitude makes MT not want to rehab the best from injuries and the combination makes him an OBJ type who could be lightning in a bottle if he happens to be healthy and the franchise faces no adversity to sap his motivation, but paying about 20 million a year for lightning that mostly stays in the bottle is a bad value. I just hope we dont sign MT to any creative restructurings to free up money now that end up making the cap hit $50 million if he has to go later. Lets not tie up an extra cent and lets pay for this gamble year to year not use financing tricks to set a trap for ourselves in the future.
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01-05-2022, 01:27 PM | #13 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by Boston Saint
Yes but it’s Browns track record that makes it look so bad. Every player disagrees with their coach, and some vocalize it but all the guys you listed above didn’t walk off the field the way Brown did. I would go so far as to say Browns history is worse than any of the above. This goes beyond antics.
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01-05-2022, 01:27 PM | #14 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much
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01-05-2022, 01:32 PM | #15 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
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Amen, and Amen!
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01-05-2022, 02:02 PM | #16 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by The Dude
Again, plenty of guys had bad track records. Smith got into multiple fights with teammates. Owens got into an altercation with Jerry Rice of all people. You may be right in that others see it as quitting on the team. He is, again, hardly the first player to do so and wouldn’t be the first to redeem himself for doing so.
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01-05-2022, 02:03 PM | #17 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold
You said some real **** right here my boy.
In regards to Antonio Brown, if he played hurt for his team to the point where he couldn’t go anymore and the coach got mad about it and kicked him off the sideline then that coach is an *******. Antonio Brown doesn’t have a long track record of doing dumb **** on the field. His issues have mostly been centered around his personality. This outburst in the middle of a game is new territory, and it’s hard for me to believe he would do that unprovoked. Should he have done it that way? No. But if I’m a leader of men I know you have to handle each man differently. Me: Go back out there AB. AB: I can’t go anymore Coach. Me: Okay AB. You need to get it checked out in the locker room? AB: I’m not sure Coach. Me: Go ahead and talk to the trainers and see what they want you to do. We want you healthy for the playoffs. That’s how a leader refrains from escalating **** and starting an issue with somebody he already knows is hypersensitive. You gotta know how to handle folks and get the best out of em. Tomlin really did a hell of a job in retrospect. |
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01-05-2022, 02:20 PM | #18 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold
It’s not the ankle injury that makes me think he may not be back. It’s the punches, social media outbursts, and the huge blowup with the coach in front of the entire roster. These are all huge red flags that suggest he may be headed down the same road as Brown. I hope I’m wrong.
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01-05-2022, 02:22 PM | #19 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold
You lumped a lot in there for one post and I agree with about 2/3rds of it. You lumping a person’s opinions of Davenport in with a person’s opinions about a WR discussion is a bit of a reach for example.
But Thomas has missed significant time. He also apparently caught the coaching staff blindsided with the way he handled his injury. He also got into a fight with a teammate and got suspended. He also is being paid top WR dollars to be a leader for the team. It’s hard to dispute those points. Weather or not it makes him a Antonio Brown remains to be seen. But to brush off people that point out those criticisms is a mistake IMO. |
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01-05-2022, 02:25 PM | #20 |
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Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown
The french had optimism that the maginot line would hold. Optimism solves nothing. Realism wins. Realistically Michael Thomas got his first major pro injury, tried to come back and play through it but it lingered, got suspended for punching a teammate, was supposed to have offseason surgery, insisted on rehab instead, didnt follow through with rehab, ghosted the team all offseason, finally had the surgery, then had a setback, and had basically been out of the league two years, while posting frequent cryptic disgruntled tweets. Thomas is acting like a young Antonio Brown. To say there are no injury or character issues is to deny reality. If Michael Thomas has a side to the story he can tell it, but instead all he has done is punch a teammate and distract the team with cryptic tweets and delay medical care. And regardless of character, ankle issues that have lingered for two years are not a given to heal. Ask Terrelle Pryor. To win we need to be realistic and identify character and health issues and not throw good money after bad. Michael Thomas might return to form. If it doesnt cost much to find out, lets hope. But we need to have a backup plan and we need to not sink more big costs in risky players. If there is big risk, it needs to be cheap.
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