Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Yes but it’s Browns track record that makes it look so bad. Every player disagrees with their coach, and some vocalize it but all the guys you listed above didn’t walk off the field the way Brown did. I would go so far as to say Browns history is worse than any of the above. This goes beyond antics.

Again, plenty of guys had bad track records. Smith got into multiple fights with teammates. Owens got into an altercation with Jerry Rice of all people. You may be right in that others see it as quitting on the team. He is, again, hardly the first player to do so and wouldn’t be the first to redeem himself for doing so.

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Antonio Brown quit on his team mid game by refusing to respond to orders to take the field while dealing with a week-to-week ankle injury.

Michael Thomas quit on his team in the offseason for a year by refusing to have surgery for a major ankle injury or return phone calls or take appointments to check on the status of his attempted rehab without surgery.

Both players had ankle injuries. Both players coaches tried to reach them to assure their availability to play. Both players ghosted their coaches and made themselves unavailable with no explanation. Both players delayed a recommended medical treatment for a few months leading to their unavailability in the season, though Thomas was not creative enough to photoshop a document saying he had the surgery in February. It just happens Antonio Brown's disappearing act was a couple offensive possessions that led to missing about half a game, and Thomas' disappearing act was an entire offseason that led to missing an entire regular season. Also, Brown pulled his antics on a cheap prove-it contract after winning a Super Bowl and Thomas pulled his antics in the second year of a record setting contract when he was his teams only viable wide receiver with a new QB coming in.

It seems to me that some people take Michael Thomas' return next season as a given and others are highly skeptical, while most feel Antonio Brown should be done in the NFL but a few feel he could be worth a shot on a cheap contract knowing the risks. I am skeptical that Thomas will return and Brown won't. I feel like both players are similar risks for next year, or would like either on a cheap prove it contract, but hate that we have so much money tied up in Thomas with all the risk he has become. I know Thomas is younger so he has more upside if he becomes reliable again, but also his injury is worse and his bad conduct is more premeditated.

Ironically, one possible upside to signing Antonio Brown could be if he influences Michael Thomas to make more bad decisions, then we could get out of Michael Thomas' contract. Bunk him with Thomas and Peat please.

I give you credit bako. I was originally thinking our post was going to be pretty faulty to be honest. But I took time to think before I responded and Inwas
wrong. Although I still believe in CGM more than you do, you obviously got me thinking. I posted in another thread that The possibility of Thomas opposite brown with a chip on his shoulder against Ariens was “terrible”. Obviously that would be a great combo on paper. I just think some team will pay him more than a minimum contract.

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 05:13 PM

Just saw a report that an outside doctor Examined Brown and confirmed that he does have a lingering ankle injury and should not have been on the field this past weekend.

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rezburna · 01-05-2022, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Just saw a report that an outside doctor Examined Brown and confirmed that he does have a lingering ankle injury and should not have been on the field this past weekend.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9BWylv4SC4

If I put it all on the line for a coach to turn around and treat me like just another number I’d be big mad too.

SaintGnome · 01-05-2022, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If I put it all on the line for a coach to turn around and treat me like just another number I’d be big mad too.

so, you want us to sign him Rez? With all the baggage, if TPA releases him (knowing someone in the playoffs might bite, so most likely not)
Isn't there a process, that a player uses if injurered : goes to training staff, under the tent, or back in the stadium instead of the jersey ripping, blah blah?
I don't like Arians, but put this on him, I dunno

rezburna · 01-05-2022, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

so, you want us to sign him Rez? With all the baggage, if TPA releases him (knowing someone in the playoffs might bite, so most likely not)
Isn't there a process, that a player uses if injurered : goes to training staff, under the tent, or back in the stadium instead of the jersey ripping, blah blah?
I don't like Arians, but put this on him, I dunno

Bucs still haven’t cut him and he’s going to need surgery on his ankle based on the latest reports and the statement he just released. Bone fragments in his ankle, torn ligament, and cartilage damage. Arians is a dick. He wouldn’t be able to play even if we did sign him. He’s in the same boat MT13 medically.

As far as the interaction, AB said Arians told him to go back in the game and when he said he couldn’t Coach Arians told him he was “done” and made a “throat slitting” motion. So AB got pissed and took off the jersey because he didn’t want to wear the brand of an organization who would treat him like an animal. He had an emotional reaction, but I expect that from an emotional guy. Arians is a dick.

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Arians is a dick.
.

Rez, I think this is the most important statement to make and you are 100 percent right. everyone makes a big deal about ABs issues, yet Bruce Arians has a reputation of being a dirty coach and no one talks about it.

saintfan · 01-05-2022, 07:54 PM

We are the definition of desperate. Go for it, even if it's just a rental.

jnormand · 01-05-2022, 08:58 PM

Jesus. He's a head case. And he was a dick in Pit before they let him walk.

I'd actually be embarrassed if the Saints signed him. He isn't going to win the SB for us. And he's a complete disaster. We already have a douchy diva WR. His name is Can't Call Mike.

What's next? We can start signing more drug addicts and wife beaters like the Cows?

Nah, I'd prefer the organization to have some respect.

Just my opinion.

RailBoss · 01-06-2022, 06:47 AM

Shows over AB is done for the season...

Antonio Brown breaks silence on leaving Buccaneers, accuses team of cover-up regarding injured ankle.
Antonio Brown has broken his silence. In a lengthy statement through his attorney Sean Burstyn, the veteran wide receiver explained his side of the situation that unfolded on Sunday where he departed the Tampa Bay Buccaneers sideline in the midst of their matchup against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium.

Brown is alleging that the team is engaging an ongoing "cover-up" surrounding his injured ankle. He noted in the statement that an MRI on his ankle revealed "broken bone fragments stuck in my ankle, the ligament torn from the bone, and cartilage loss, which are beyond painful." He is also set to undergo surgery on that ankle.

Prior reports highlighted this injury as the main catalyst for Brown's outburst on the sideline and subsequent departure from the team in the middle of the game. Brown reportedly got into a spat with head coach Bruce Arians as he tried to get him into the game he the receiver refused. Once he refused to enter the game upon another request from Arians, the coach is said to have told him to "get out."

01-05-2022, 01:02 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by The Dude Yes but it’s Browns track record that makes it look so bad. Every player disagrees with their coach, and some vocalize it but all the guys you listed above didn’t walk off the field the way Brown did. I would go so far as to say Browns history is worse than any of the above. This goes beyond antics. Again, plenty of guys had bad track records. Smith got into multiple fights with teammates. Owens got into an altercation with Jerry Rice of all people. You may be right in that others see it as quitting on the team. He is, again, hardly the first player to do so and wouldn’t be the first to redeem himself for doing so.

01-05-2022, 11:42 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by BakoSaint Antonio Brown quit on his team mid game by refusing to respond to orders to take the field while dealing with a week-to-week ankle injury. Michael Thomas quit on his team in the offseason for a year by refusing to have surgery for a major ankle injury or return phone calls or take appointments to check on the status of his attempted rehab without surgery. Both players had ankle injuries. Both players coaches tried to reach them to assure their availability to play. Both players ghosted their coaches and made themselves unavailable with no explanation. Both players delayed a recommended medical treatment for a few months leading to their unavailability in the season, though Thomas was not creative enough to photoshop a document saying he had the surgery in February. It just happens Antonio Brown's disappearing act was a couple offensive possessions that led to missing about half a game, and Thomas' disappearing act was an entire offseason that led to missing an entire regular season. Also, Brown pulled his antics on a cheap prove-it contract after winning a Super Bowl and Thomas pulled his antics in the second year of a record setting contract when he was his teams only viable wide receiver with a new QB coming in. It seems to me that some people take Michael Thomas' return next season as a given and others are highly skeptical, while most feel Antonio Brown should be done in the NFL but a few feel he could be worth a shot on a cheap contract knowing the risks. I am skeptical that Thomas will return and Brown won't. I feel like both players are similar risks for next year, or would like either on a cheap prove it contract, but hate that we have so much money tied up in Thomas with all the risk he has become. I know Thomas is younger so he has more upside if he becomes reliable again, but also his injury is worse and his bad conduct is more premeditated. Ironically, one possible upside to signing Antonio Brown could be if he influences Michael Thomas to make more bad decisions, then we could get out of Michael Thomas' contract. Bunk him with Thomas and Peat please. I give you credit bako. I was originally thinking our post was going to be pretty faulty to be honest. But I took time to think before I responded and Inwas wrong. Although I still believe in CGM more than you do, you obviously got me thinking. I posted in another thread that The possibility of Thomas opposite brown with a chip on his shoulder against Ariens was “terrible”. Obviously that would be a great combo on paper. I just think some team will pay him more than a minimum contract.

01-05-2022, 07:25 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Boston Saint Just saw a report that an outside doctor Examined Brown and confirmed that he does have a lingering ankle injury and should not have been on the field this past weekend. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9BWylv4SC4 If I put it all on the line for a coach to turn around and treat me like just another number I’d be big mad too. Boston Saint likes this.

01-05-2022, 07:38 PM	#5
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by rezburna If I put it all on the line for a coach to turn around and treat me like just another number I’d be big mad too. so, you want us to sign him Rez? With all the baggage, if TPA releases him (knowing someone in the playoffs might bite, so most likely not) Isn't there a process, that a player uses if injurered : goes to training staff, under the tent, or back in the stadium instead of the jersey ripping, blah blah? I don't like Arians, but put this on him, I dunno

01-05-2022, 09:08 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by SaintGnome so, you want us to sign him Rez? With all the baggage, if TPA releases him (knowing someone in the playoffs might bite, so most likely not) Isn't there a process, that a player uses if injurered : goes to training staff, under the tent, or back in the stadium instead of the jersey ripping, blah blah? I don't like Arians, but put this on him, I dunno Bucs still haven’t cut him and he’s going to need surgery on his ankle based on the latest reports and the statement he just released. Bone fragments in his ankle, torn ligament, and cartilage damage. Arians is a dick. He wouldn’t be able to play even if we did sign him. He’s in the same boat MT13 medically. As far as the interaction, AB said Arians told him to go back in the game and when he said he couldn’t Coach Arians told him he was “done” and made a “throat slitting” motion. So AB got pissed and took off the jersey because he didn’t want to wear the brand of an organization who would treat him like an animal. He had an emotional reaction, but I expect that from an emotional guy. Arians is a dick.
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01-05-2022, 09:17 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by rezburna Arians is a dick. . Rez, I think this is the most important statement to make and you are 100 percent right. everyone makes a big deal about ABs issues, yet Bruce Arians has a reputation of being a dirty coach and no one talks about it. rezburna likes this.

01-05-2022, 07:54 PM	#8
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01-05-2022, 08:58 PM	#9
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Jesus. He's a head case. And he was a dick in Pit before they let him walk. I'd actually be embarrassed if the Saints signed him. He isn't going to win the SB for us. And he's a complete disaster. We already have a douchy diva WR. His name is Can't Call Mike. What's next? We can start signing more drug addicts and wife beaters like the Cows? Nah, I'd prefer the organization to have some respect. Just my opinion. neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-06-2022, 06:47 AM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Shows over AB is done for the season... Antonio Brown breaks silence on leaving Buccaneers, accuses team of cover-up regarding injured ankle. Antonio Brown has broken his silence. In a lengthy statement through his attorney Sean Burstyn, the veteran wide receiver explained his side of the situation that unfolded on Sunday where he departed the Tampa Bay Buccaneers sideline in the midst of their matchup against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium. Brown is alleging that the team is engaging an ongoing "cover-up" surrounding his injured ankle. He noted in the statement that an MRI on his ankle revealed "broken bone fragments stuck in my ankle, the ligament torn from the bone, and cartilage loss, which are beyond painful." He is also set to undergo surgery on that ankle. Prior reports highlighted this injury as the main catalyst for Brown's outburst on the sideline and subsequent departure from the team in the middle of the game. Brown reportedly got into a spat with head coach Bruce Arians as he tried to get him into the game he the receiver refused. Once he refused to enter the game upon another request from Arians, the coach is said to have told him to "get out."