Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2022, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much

Amen, and Amen!

rezburna · 01-05-2022, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much

You said some real **** right here my boy.

In regards to Antonio Brown, if he played hurt for his team to the point where he couldn’t go anymore and the coach got mad about it and kicked him off the sideline then that coach is an *******. Antonio Brown doesn’t have a long track record of doing dumb **** on the field. His issues have mostly been centered around his personality. This outburst in the middle of a game is new territory, and it’s hard for me to believe he would do that unprovoked. Should he have done it that way? No. But if I’m a leader of men I know you have to handle each man differently.

Me: Go back out there AB.

AB: I can’t go anymore Coach.

Me: Okay AB. You need to get it checked out in the locker room?

AB: I’m not sure Coach.

Me: Go ahead and talk to the trainers and see what they want you to do. We want you healthy for the playoffs.

That’s how a leader refrains from escalating **** and starting an issue with somebody he already knows is hypersensitive. You gotta know how to handle folks and get the best out of em. Tomlin really did a hell of a job in retrospect.

The Dude · 01-05-2022, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much

It’s not the ankle injury that makes me think he may not be back. It’s the punches, social media outbursts, and the huge blowup with the coach in front of the entire roster. These are all huge red flags that suggest he may be headed down the same road as Brown. I hope I’m wrong.

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much

You lumped a lot in there for one post and I agree with about 2/3rds of it. You lumping a person’s opinions of Davenport in with a person’s opinions about a WR discussion is a bit of a reach for example.

But Thomas has missed significant time. He also apparently caught the coaching staff blindsided with the way he handled his injury. He also got into a fight with a teammate and got suspended. He also is being paid top WR dollars to be a leader for the team. It’s hard to dispute those points. Weather or not it makes him a Antonio Brown remains to be seen. But to brush off people that point out those criticisms is a mistake IMO.

BakoSaint · 01-05-2022, 01:25 PM

The french had optimism that the maginot line would hold. Optimism solves nothing. Realism wins. Realistically Michael Thomas got his first major pro injury, tried to come back and play through it but it lingered, got suspended for punching a teammate, was supposed to have offseason surgery, insisted on rehab instead, didnt follow through with rehab, ghosted the team all offseason, finally had the surgery, then had a setback, and had basically been out of the league two years, while posting frequent cryptic disgruntled tweets. Thomas is acting like a young Antonio Brown. To say there are no injury or character issues is to deny reality. If Michael Thomas has a side to the story he can tell it, but instead all he has done is punch a teammate and distract the team with cryptic tweets and delay medical care. And regardless of character, ankle issues that have lingered for two years are not a given to heal. Ask Terrelle Pryor. To win we need to be realistic and identify character and health issues and not throw good money after bad. Michael Thomas might return to form. If it doesnt cost much to find out, lets hope. But we need to have a backup plan and we need to not sink more big costs in risky players. If there is big risk, it needs to be cheap.

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2022, 04:55 PM

voodooido · 01-05-2022, 09:46 AM

I can’t compare the two but I believe MT has played his last snap as a Saint

vpheughan · 01-05-2022, 09:48 AM

Then there is this: The Buccaneers still have not released Antonio Brown and his ability to play the rest of the year is on the line

Boston Saint · 01-05-2022, 11:35 AM

Here is a comparison that may or may not be apt. I was all for the Saints Landing OBJ when he was available a few weeks back. As it turns out the Rams got him and he is doing very well there. OBJ seem like he was having problems in Cleveland and obviously wanted out and obviously they were more
than willing to accommodate him.

So, why is Brown so different? it’s obvious when you look at the list of “great” wide receivers through the leagues history there are more than a fair share of divas that have required special attention and demanded special recognition. Owens, Irvin, Keshawn Johnson, Steve Smith are just a few examples. There have also been guys like Rice and Calvin Johnson that just quietly got the job done. But having a Calvin Johnson type makeup is not unusual at all. Brown is not in legal trouble I believe (haven’t heard latest on his COVID passport). He apparently had issue with his coach. He’s hardly the first player to have that happen.

The Dude · 01-05-2022, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Here is a comparison that may or may not be apt. I was all for the Saints Landing OBJ when he was available a few weeks back. As it turns out the Rams got him and he is doing very well there. OBJ seem like he was having problems in Cleveland and obviously wanted out and obviously they were more
than willing to accommodate him.

So, why is Brown so different? it’s obvious when you look at the list of “great” wide receivers through the leagues history there are more than a fair share of divas that have required special attention and demanded special recognition. Owens, Irvin, Keshawn Johnson, Steve Smith are just a few examples. There have also been guys like Rice and Calvin Johnson that just quietly got the job done. But having a Calvin Johnson type makeup is not unusual at all. Brown is not in legal trouble I believe (haven’t heard latest on his COVID passport). He apparently had issue with his coach. He’s hardly the first player to have that happen.

Yes but it’s Browns track record that makes it look so bad. Every player disagrees with their coach, and some vocalize it but all the guys you listed above didn’t walk off the field the way Brown did. I would go so far as to say Browns history is worse than any of the above. This goes beyond antics.

01-05-2022, 12:32 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much Amen, and Amen!

01-05-2022, 01:03 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much You said some real ** right here my boy. In regards to Antonio Brown, if he played hurt for his team to the point where he couldn’t go anymore and the coach got mad about it and kicked him off the sideline then that coach is an ***. Antonio Brown doesn’t have a long track record of doing dumb on the field. His issues have mostly been centered around his personality. This outburst in the middle of a game is new territory, and it’s hard for me to believe he would do that unprovoked. Should he have done it that way? No. But if I’m a leader of men I know you have to handle each man differently. Me: Go back out there AB. AB: I can’t go anymore Coach. Me: Okay AB. You need to get it checked out in the locker room? AB: I’m not sure Coach. Me: Go ahead and talk to the trainers and see what they want you to do. We want you healthy for the playoffs. That’s how a leader refrains from escalating ** and starting an issue with somebody he already knows is hypersensitive. You gotta know how to handle folks and get the best out of em. Tomlin really did a hell of a job in retrospect.
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01-05-2022, 01:20 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much It’s not the ankle injury that makes me think he may not be back. It’s the punches, social media outbursts, and the huge blowup with the coach in front of the entire roster. These are all huge red flags that suggest he may be headed down the same road as Brown. I hope I’m wrong. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-05-2022, 01:22 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much You lumped a lot in there for one post and I agree with about 2/3rds of it. You lumping a person’s opinions of Davenport in with a person’s opinions about a WR discussion is a bit of a reach for example. But Thomas has missed significant time. He also apparently caught the coaching staff blindsided with the way he handled his injury. He also got into a fight with a teammate and got suspended. He also is being paid top WR dollars to be a leader for the team. It’s hard to dispute those points. Weather or not it makes him a Antonio Brown remains to be seen. But to brush off people that point out those criticisms is a mistake IMO.
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01-05-2022, 01:25 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,392	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown The french had optimism that the maginot line would hold. Optimism solves nothing. Realism wins. Realistically Michael Thomas got his first major pro injury, tried to come back and play through it but it lingered, got suspended for punching a teammate, was supposed to have offseason surgery, insisted on rehab instead, didnt follow through with rehab, ghosted the team all offseason, finally had the surgery, then had a setback, and had basically been out of the league two years, while posting frequent cryptic disgruntled tweets. Thomas is acting like a young Antonio Brown. To say there are no injury or character issues is to deny reality. If Michael Thomas has a side to the story he can tell it, but instead all he has done is punch a teammate and distract the team with cryptic tweets and delay medical care. And regardless of character, ankle issues that have lingered for two years are not a given to heal. Ask Terrelle Pryor. To win we need to be realistic and identify character and health issues and not throw good money after bad. Michael Thomas might return to form. If it doesnt cost much to find out, lets hope. But we need to have a backup plan and we need to not sink more big costs in risky players. If there is big risk, it needs to be cheap. Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What chronic injury issue? What personality issue? If you guys want to play whats the worse that can happen or a big what if ok. Can we please stop making up stories with zero validity. Alot of you if not all of you jumped off board as soon as you found out he didnt get the surgery for reasons unknown. Now MT is a bad apple that might not be worth the bite? Youu guys said Cam Jordan was done you guys said MWilliams wasnt a playmaker in this league you guys said MDavenport was a bust......you see the pattern here topics make for good Saints gossip but thats about it the accuracy is far worse than Taysom Hill. He gets one ankle injury now we are questioning the career? what the hell is this? Didnt we try the AB thing out a year or two ago before the bucs? Who going to get him the ball? A WR rn does not change the Saints with Oline help and a decent QB not named Taysom Hill....Put some respect on MT you weren't crying when he went out there and played on bad ankle for Drew who threw the post season away with TO vs the Bucs. You guys think some of the players we have are that easily replaceable you are kidding yourself MT unless he requests trade is here and will be ready to next season have some d@mn optimism the same optimism you had thinking Drew would come back and play. Where is the reality Saints Forum Fantasy Island is little too much
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,548	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Then there is this: The Buccaneers still have not released Antonio Brown and his ability to play the rest of the year is on the line Boston Saint likes this.
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01-05-2022, 11:35 AM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Here is a comparison that may or may not be apt. I was all for the Saints Landing OBJ when he was available a few weeks back. As it turns out the Rams got him and he is doing very well there. OBJ seem like he was having problems in Cleveland and obviously wanted out and obviously they were more than willing to accommodate him. So, why is Brown so different? it’s obvious when you look at the list of “great” wide receivers through the leagues history there are more than a fair share of divas that have required special attention and demanded special recognition. Owens, Irvin, Keshawn Johnson, Steve Smith are just a few examples. There have also been guys like Rice and Calvin Johnson that just quietly got the job done. But having a Calvin Johnson type makeup is not unusual at all. Brown is not in legal trouble I believe (haven’t heard latest on his COVID passport). He apparently had issue with his coach. He’s hardly the first player to have that happen.
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01-05-2022, 12:27 PM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Michael Thomas vs Antonio Brown Originally Posted by Boston Saint Here is a comparison that may or may not be apt. I was all for the Saints Landing OBJ when he was available a few weeks back. As it turns out the Rams got him and he is doing very well there. OBJ seem like he was having problems in Cleveland and obviously wanted out and obviously they were more than willing to accommodate him. So, why is Brown so different? it’s obvious when you look at the list of “great” wide receivers through the leagues history there are more than a fair share of divas that have required special attention and demanded special recognition. Owens, Irvin, Keshawn Johnson, Steve Smith are just a few examples. There have also been guys like Rice and Calvin Johnson that just quietly got the job done. But having a Calvin Johnson type makeup is not unusual at all. Brown is not in legal trouble I believe (haven’t heard latest on his COVID passport). He apparently had issue with his coach. He’s hardly the first player to have that happen. Yes but it’s Browns track record that makes it look so bad. Every player disagrees with their coach, and some vocalize it but all the guys you listed above didn’t walk off the field the way Brown did. I would go so far as to say Browns history is worse than any of the above. This goes beyond antics. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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