AB is AWESOME!!!!!!!!

TheGambler · 09-20-2005, 04:01 PM

So does that mean Aaron isn't part of the team?

WhoDat · 09-21-2005, 12:14 PM

WhoDat, can;t say I am digging the new you, but he seems to be able to make the same spin.

What bias? Horn's fumble came in the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much over. AB's turnovers came in the first half. Nice try.

And Whodi, I see you still don't let the facts get in the way of your Brooks bashing. Try this.

Fumble on Kickoff - 7-0 Giants.
Saints punt.
Giants drive, score - 14-0 Giants.
Saints drive, score (AB to horn) - 14-7 Giants. (On the drive, Brooks completed passes for 70 yards and had a roughing the passer penalty. Deuce carried 1 time for 3 yards. Caught two passes for 8.)

With 3:27 left in the first half AB throws an INT.

Giants run 3 plays. On 3rd down Smith sacks Manning - illegal contact on Hodge. The Giants end up scoring. Now personally, that's on the stupid a$$ defense and specifically Hodge, not Brooks. But even still, let's say that Brooks gave them 7 on that turnover, OK?

Saints ball - 2 minute drill (all passes) - field goal. That's 10 points on drives engineered by Brooks. So far he's caused MAYBE 7.

ALL of his other turnovers were in the SECOND half. Not first. The Giants only scored on two more field goals all game.

One came after the AB fumble. On that "drive" Charles Grant had a roughing the passer penalty and McKenzie had a holding penalty to put the Giants in field goal range and keep their drive alive. Sure - that's all AB's fault.

Their other field goal came on the drive after Carney missed the field goal. So, AT THE MOST, AB could have given the Giants 10 point - which is exactly how many he accounted for mostly himself. Really, his 4 turnovers would have resulted in zero points if the defense hadn't freaking hurt itself.

what the hell does this have to do with turnovers that lead directly to points for the other team? If AB leads us to 10 points but he has two turnovers that give the other team 10 points, you are satisfied with that? Fall in line with the mediocre is fine crowd forming to your left.

No, I'm not OK with that. Never have I said I was OK with that. But you seemingly ignore the numerous drive sustaining penalties that the defense committed in your haste to bash AB. He didn't have a good game, but he also didn't have a terrible one.

saintswhodi · 09-21-2005, 12:19 PM

No, I'm not OK with that. Never have I said I was OK with that. But you seemingly ignore the numerous drive sustaining penalties that the defense committed in your haste to bash AB. He didn't have a good game, but he also didn't have a terrible one.

So then what's your point? When a game is in doubt, turnovers are NEVER good. If AB doesn't turn the ball over, is the defense on the field to committ those penalties, or is the drive continuing to either a punt or a score? We can go round and round all day. If you agree AB had a mediocre game, then he was a part of the reason we lost. If you don't disagree, what are you looking to prove? How is saying AB is a part of the reason we lost bashing? And when are you gonna address the 50 other folks who said the same thing? What are you getting at?

WhoDat · 09-21-2005, 12:32 PM

Mediocre is part of the reason we lost? See, I took good to mean - helpful towards a win, bad as hurtful, and mediocre as neither - but I guess anything less than excellent means you're partly to blame. Great. Everyone on the Saints team is to blame for the loss against the Giants. Maybe Horn could have been excused... but he FUMBLED!!! OH MY GOD!!! GET A NEW STARTING WR!!!! <gasp>!

saintswhodi · 09-21-2005, 12:40 PM

That's all you got? Here's the problem, I never said AB was the reason we lost, EVER, yet you are attempting to somehow disprove that. If I never said it, what are you working towards? Next, mediocre, when it's obvious the Giants focus is to take away Deuce and let AB beat them, IS bad. Unless you saw a different strategy than I did. They stuffed the run,and let AB throw all day. He threw lazers all night, and then he made the inevitable AB mistakes. And please don't try to dismiss that tipped piss. I thanked God they showed it again on PTI cause I erased my DVR of the game to make space for some shows last night. A defender was rushing him, and he flung the ball into the middle of the field and hit Donte in the pads. Donte never even looked for the ball. So if you are keeping score at home, that's 2 INTs and 1 fumble while the game was still in doubt. Yeah, we shouldn't blame him at all.

Last, after the Panthers game, I not only gave him props, I posted an article speaking to his hew found leadership in how he gave the team credit for the win. Yup, sounds like a basher. Maybe if you don't argue non-existent points, you won't have to fabricate fictional statements like getting rid of Joe Horn. And if you are keeping score again, AB has 5 turnovers and one TD on the year. When are you gonna start the MVP parade?

WhoDat · 09-21-2005, 12:48 PM

Uh - your first post was that AB is terrible. I simply said that isn't true. Now you're saying he played well in week 1 and mediocre in week 2. Ok, I proved my point. Thanks.

deucerulez · 09-21-2005, 01:27 PM

you know I dont post here much for these reasons, all people wanna do is blame some ONE, the giants didnt beat the saints, the saints beat the saints....conwell, horn, drop/fumble TD passes, carney misses a gimme... 17pts, the opening kickoff fumbled possible 14 pt swing, how may penalties and personal fouls that kept drives alive, all of course is brooks fault, sure....brooks made mistakes, but also made some incredible throws with def hanging on his pantlegs, all game long, its his fault the line cant block, his fault OC cant put karney in front of deuce, its all brooks fault, u guys got it all figured out, how come u arent coaching the saints??

saintswhodi · 09-21-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Uh - your first post was that AB is terrible. I simply said that isn't true. Now you're saying he played well in week 1 and mediocre in week 2. Ok, I proved my point. Thanks.

If your point is you had none, you proved it well. I also said this in my first post:

But that brings me to the offense as a whole. Who the F$%& designed the running game? All I saw was Deuce plow into a stacked line for a yard almost every play. Where are the counters, misdirection, pulling guard, off tackle, etc. etc. Is Carl Smith back in town? This had to be the most unimaginitive running game plan I have seen since the Redskins first got Portis and didn't know what todo with him. And is it me, or does it seem like we still run out of a two tight end set a lot? Keep Karney in front of Deuce on every run. How hard is that? But damn Brooks sucks. He is not the only reason we lost, but he is one of the main ones.

Miss that somehow? By no means should anyone consider a QB who is on one game and off the next for his whole career terrible. God forbid. And when have you known me to not feel AB was terrible? I keep saying he has yet to prove me wrong. You're not inventing the wheel there bud. I give him credit when he plays well though, seems it would say something about a QB people have to actually point out when he plays well instead of simply expecting him to play well. I seem to recall you had plenty of knocks for AB too, until now for some reason. But let's get back to what you are "trying" to prove, or not, cause who the hell knows. Why would you lay out a play by play a few posts back outlining how the DEFENSE was responsible for us giving up points after ABs turnovers(but somehow AB wasn't), but then on another forum, you say:

AB's INT or Fumble combined with a penalty on 3rd down after a sack led to 7 more against.

But when defending AB here it's:

That's 10 points on drives engineered by Brooks. So far he's caused MAYBE 7.

Maybe? huh? Seemed more definitive above. But that's on another forum. But let's dig deeper:

I'm not sure that's entirely true.

On two of the Giants' three TD drives they went a total of about 50 yards. It's hard to stop a team when they get the ball first down inside your own 10.

Likewise, sure the special teams fumbled early. That hurt a lot. They also recovered a fumble on a punt well inside Giants territory late in the game. The offense couldn't score despite starting at the Giants' 37. Zero points on that drive, and the 5 other they had in a row inside the Giants' 50. I'd say some blame lays there as well. Barber had less than 100 rushing. Eli had less than 200 throwing. The Saints allowed 7 points straight up. The rest came off of turnovers. I'm pretty OK with that kind of defensive performance, personally.

Said when defending the defense, again on another forum. But when defending Brooks here it's :

Now personally, that's on the stupid a$$ defense

huh? Now they are a stupid ass defense, but you are pretty okay with that kind of defensive performance, personally? Both of these statements made today, on two different sites. Trying to prove what again? Oh, that when someone says Brooks is one of the reasons we lost, he is really saying Brooks is the only reason. Gotcha.

WhoDat · 09-21-2005, 02:53 PM

word.

LOL

yasoon · 09-21-2005, 02:56 PM

whodi likes to argue

09-20-2005, 04:01 PM	#31
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09-21-2005, 12:14 PM	#32
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	WhoDat, can;t say I am digging the new you, but he seems to be able to make the same spin. What bias? Horn's fumble came in the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much over. AB's turnovers came in the first half. Nice try. And Whodi, I see you still don't let the facts get in the way of your Brooks bashing. Try this. Fumble on Kickoff - 7-0 Giants. Saints punt. Giants drive, score - 14-0 Giants. Saints drive, score (AB to horn) - 14-7 Giants. (On the drive, Brooks completed passes for 70 yards and had a roughing the passer penalty. Deuce carried 1 time for 3 yards. Caught two passes for 8.) With 3:27 left in the first half AB throws an INT. Giants run 3 plays. On 3rd down Smith sacks Manning - illegal contact on Hodge. The Giants end up scoring. Now personally, that's on the stupid a$$ defense and specifically Hodge, not Brooks. But even still, let's say that Brooks gave them 7 on that turnover, OK? Saints ball - 2 minute drill (all passes) - field goal. That's 10 points on drives engineered by Brooks. So far he's caused MAYBE 7. ALL of his other turnovers were in the SECOND half. Not first. The Giants only scored on two more field goals all game. One came after the AB fumble. On that "drive" Charles Grant had a roughing the passer penalty and McKenzie had a holding penalty to put the Giants in field goal range and keep their drive alive. Sure - that's all AB's fault. Their other field goal came on the drive after Carney missed the field goal. So, AT THE MOST, AB could have given the Giants 10 point - which is exactly how many he accounted for mostly himself. Really, his 4 turnovers would have resulted in zero points if the defense hadn't freaking hurt itself. what the hell does this have to do with turnovers that lead directly to points for the other team? If AB leads us to 10 points but he has two turnovers that give the other team 10 points, you are satisfied with that? Fall in line with the mediocre is fine crowd forming to your left. No, I'm not OK with that. Never have I said I was OK with that. But you seemingly ignore the numerous drive sustaining penalties that the defense committed in your haste to bash AB. He didn't have a good game, but he also didn't have a terrible one.
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09-21-2005, 12:32 PM	#34
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Mediocre is part of the reason we lost? See, I took good to mean - helpful towards a win, bad as hurtful, and mediocre as neither - but I guess anything less than excellent means you're partly to blame. Great. Everyone on the Saints team is to blame for the loss against the Giants. Maybe Horn could have been excused... but he FUMBLED!!! OH MY GOD!!! GET A NEW STARTING WR!!!! <gasp>!
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09-21-2005, 12:48 PM	#36
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Uh - your first post was that AB is terrible. I simply said that isn't true. Now you're saying he played well in week 1 and mediocre in week 2. Ok, I proved my point. Thanks.
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09-21-2005, 01:27 PM	#37
deucerulez Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 45	you know I dont post here much for these reasons, all people wanna do is blame some ONE, the giants didnt beat the saints, the saints beat the saints....conwell, horn, drop/fumble TD passes, carney misses a gimme... 17pts, the opening kickoff fumbled possible 14 pt swing, how may penalties and personal fouls that kept drives alive, all of course is brooks fault, sure....brooks made mistakes, but also made some incredible throws with def hanging on his pantlegs, all game long, its his fault the line cant block, his fault OC cant put karney in front of deuce, its all brooks fault, u guys got it all figured out, how come u arent coaching the saints??
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09-21-2005, 12:19 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	No, I'm not OK with that. Never have I said I was OK with that. But you seemingly ignore the numerous drive sustaining penalties that the defense committed in your haste to bash AB. He didn't have a good game, but he also didn't have a terrible one. So then what's your point? When a game is in doubt, turnovers are NEVER good. If AB doesn't turn the ball over, is the defense on the field to committ those penalties, or is the drive continuing to either a punt or a score? We can go round and round all day. If you agree AB had a mediocre game, then he was a part of the reason we lost. If you don't disagree, what are you looking to prove? How is saying AB is a part of the reason we lost bashing? And when are you gonna address the 50 other folks who said the same thing? What are you getting at?

09-21-2005, 12:40 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	That's all you got? Here's the problem, I never said AB was the reason we lost, EVER, yet you are attempting to somehow disprove that. If I never said it, what are you working towards? Next, mediocre, when it's obvious the Giants focus is to take away Deuce and let AB beat them, IS bad. Unless you saw a different strategy than I did. They stuffed the run,and let AB throw all day. He threw lazers all night, and then he made the inevitable AB mistakes. And please don't try to dismiss that tipped piss. I thanked God they showed it again on PTI cause I erased my DVR of the game to make space for some shows last night. A defender was rushing him, and he flung the ball into the middle of the field and hit Donte in the pads. Donte never even looked for the ball. So if you are keeping score at home, that's 2 INTs and 1 fumble while the game was still in doubt. Yeah, we shouldn't blame him at all. Last, after the Panthers game, I not only gave him props, I posted an article speaking to his hew found leadership in how he gave the team credit for the win. Yup, sounds like a basher. Maybe if you don't argue non-existent points, you won't have to fabricate fictional statements like getting rid of Joe Horn. And if you are keeping score again, AB has 5 turnovers and one TD on the year. When are you gonna start the MVP parade?

09-21-2005, 02:53 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat Uh - your first post was that AB is terrible. I simply said that isn't true. Now you're saying he played well in week 1 and mediocre in week 2. Ok, I proved my point. Thanks. If your point is you had none, you proved it well. I also said this in my first post: But that brings me to the offense as a whole. Who the F$%& designed the running game? All I saw was Deuce plow into a stacked line for a yard almost every play. Where are the counters, misdirection, pulling guard, off tackle, etc. etc. Is Carl Smith back in town? This had to be the most unimaginitive running game plan I have seen since the Redskins first got Portis and didn't know what todo with him. And is it me, or does it seem like we still run out of a two tight end set a lot? Keep Karney in front of Deuce on every run. How hard is that? But damn Brooks sucks. He is not the only reason we lost, but he is one of the main ones. Miss that somehow? By no means should anyone consider a QB who is on one game and off the next for his whole career terrible. God forbid. And when have you known me to not feel AB was terrible? I keep saying he has yet to prove me wrong. You're not inventing the wheel there bud. I give him credit when he plays well though, seems it would say something about a QB people have to actually point out when he plays well instead of simply expecting him to play well. I seem to recall you had plenty of knocks for AB too, until now for some reason. But let's get back to what you are "trying" to prove, or not, cause who the hell knows. Why would you lay out a play by play a few posts back outlining how the DEFENSE was responsible for us giving up points after ABs turnovers(but somehow AB wasn't), but then on another forum, you say: AB's INT or Fumble combined with a penalty on 3rd down after a sack led to 7 more against. But when defending AB here it's: That's 10 points on drives engineered by Brooks. So far he's caused MAYBE 7. Maybe? huh? Seemed more definitive above. But that's on another forum. But let's dig deeper: I'm not sure that's entirely true. On two of the Giants' three TD drives they went a total of about 50 yards. It's hard to stop a team when they get the ball first down inside your own 10. Likewise, sure the special teams fumbled early. That hurt a lot. They also recovered a fumble on a punt well inside Giants territory late in the game. The offense couldn't score despite starting at the Giants' 37. Zero points on that drive, and the 5 other they had in a row inside the Giants' 50. I'd say some blame lays there as well. Barber had less than 100 rushing. Eli had less than 200 throwing. The Saints allowed 7 points straight up. The rest came off of turnovers. I'm pretty OK with that kind of defensive performance, personally. Said when defending the defense, again on another forum. But when defending Brooks here it's : Now personally, that's on the stupid a$$ defense huh? Now they are a stupid ass defense, but you are pretty okay with that kind of defensive performance, personally? Both of these statements made today, on two different sites. Trying to prove what again? Oh, that when someone says Brooks is one of the reasons we lost, he is really saying Brooks is the only reason. Gotcha.

09-21-2005, 02:56 PM	#40
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