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AsylumGuido 01-17-2022 10:19 AM

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3 Takeaways from the 2021 New Orleans Saints Offense

Three takeaways from the 2021-22 New Orleans Saints offense.

BRENDAN BOYLAN23 HOURS AGO

The New Orleans Saints have consistently ranked among the best in the league offensively under head coach Sean Payton. However, 2021 may end up serving as an outlier on Payton's resume. The Saints had a revolving door of linemen, quarterbacks, and wide receivers. This recipe resulted in one of the league's worst-rated offenses of the season.

However, there were some bright spots for New Orleans throughout the year. Before Jameis Winston's injury, he looked like the real deal behind a stellar offensive line, and Alvin Kamara played at a Pro-Bowl level yet again.

So how do we access this season for the Saints Offense? Was it a success? Far from it... But Sean Payton and the company learned some valuable lessons and proved this team is still set up for success when healthy.

Here are three takeaways from the Saints' Offense during the 2021-22 NFL Season.

Failing to Address the Wide Receiver Position Proved to be the Wrong Decision

Headed into the 2021 NFL Offseason, New Orleans faced a mountain of negative cap space, and though they were able to erase the $100M figure to get under the Salary Cap, it came at a price. A price that included the team's leading receiver from 2020, Emmanuel Sanders.

The veteran wide-out would sign with the Bills and left New Orleans with a significant hole at WR 2. The Black and Gold ultimately opted to stick with the guys already on the roster (Callaway, Smith, Harris) to fill that need, including Michael Thomas, rehabbing an ankle injury.

Unfortunately for the Saints, Thomas' rehab resulted in a shut-down season, and Tre'Quan Smith missed multiple weeks with a preseason injury. Vaulting Callaway and Harris (Now Harty) into starting roles, a big ask for two UDFAs.

Overall, the pairing put together a modest season considering their expected role to the one they played (I expect both to be big parts of the Saints offense for years to come). But throughout the season, New Orleans receivers could not create separation, dropped passes, and could never find a steady dose of consistency to help manufacture points.

Sean Payton consistently told the media he "liked" the guys they have in the locker room, and though he may have liked them, they did not produce what the Saints needed. A steady veteran may not have solved all the problems for the receiving corps this year, but it could have given them a nice boost.

Injuries to the O-Line Hurt More than the Injuries at Quarterback

With multiple Pro-Bowl selections across the offensive line, the Saints have one of the best O-lines in the NFL.... well, when they are healthy, that was the team's Achilles heel in 2021. It is now well documented that the Saints set a new NFL record this season, starting 58 different players. Still, the offensive line was the one unit ...

Read the rest here ...

Rugby Saint II 01-17-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 941931)
Things get deleted from the internet all the time. Any idiot knows that. Well, any idiot but you. Just because you can't find it doesn't mean he didn't say it. He was pissed and said a LOT of nasty things. He even got support from Jimmy Graham at the time, but then Jimmy, who is a coward like you, deleted his statement.

Jimmy said, just so we're clear, "feel blessed u got out of there. Time to go shine big dog. All the best. Good luck.”

He promptly deleted the tweet. Cowards defending cowards. You fit right in.

He just asked for a link bud! :roll:

Rugby Saint II 01-17-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 941937)
Unfortunately I can't find it either and I'm paraphrasing a little here, but I remember reading an article or a twitter post where Hicks said something along the lines of "better get 9 some protection or I'll make sure its QB2"

Hicks does not like Brees one bit apparently.

Apparently Brees is classier than Hicks and Hicks didn't like it. Ha!

saintfan 01-17-2022 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 942070)
He just asked for a link bud! :roll:

Because why? Because someone should prove something to him?

Guido is not the truth police here or anywhere else. This is not a one-off. If it were I'd leave him be. This is a pattern of behavior that is well documented, bud...

:rolleyes:

Rugby Saint II 01-17-2022 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 942073)
Because why? Because someone should prove something to him?

Guido is not the truth police here or anywhere else. This is not a one-off. If it were I'd leave him be. This is a pattern of behavior that is well documented, bud...

:rolleyes:

You said in a PM along the lines of whatever....so, whatever. :roll: If you keep this nonsense up I'm going after you like you've decided to do after Guido. I've got thick skin for insults hurled in my direction. Bring this **** to stop or find out how you like being driven out of town.

I asked you in a PM how to block you like you suggested I do. I don't understand computers. We used punch cards in college like NASA in those old films. Yeah, I'm older than dirt and I don't have time for your personal vendettas. If you continue, then I'll make you my personal vendetta like you did with Guido if you persist. I don't like, and others posters agree, your personal attacks on other members no matter who it is. If you want this discourse on the board we'll see how you like it. This should be right up your alley with the constant bickering. Just give it a rest please for everybody's sake.

Thanks for listening. I do like you though. I think we're friends on here.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2022 03:03 PM

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To ignore a user simply click on their username to bring you to their user page.

Example: https://blackandgold.com/u/saintfan/

Here you'll see a link immediately under their username that says User Lists. Click this and there is an option to Add to Ignore List. Click this and your ready to go! :D

WW_Who_Dat 01-17-2022 04:35 PM

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My question is how do moderators allow these kinds personal attach and not addressed by deleting the posting at a minimum. Would not like to see anyones access restricted. I’m sure there are limits to this type of ongoing postings if not there should be.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 942086)
My question is how do moderators allow these kinds personal attach and not addressed by deleting the posting at a minimum. Would not like to see anyones access restricted. I’m sure there are limits to this type of ongoing postings if not there should be.

saintfan IS a moderator.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2022 04:45 PM

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I wonder how telling this is given that several others were signed to futures contracts?


saintfan 01-17-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942088)
saintfan IS a moderator.

Who tried nicely, starting in 2018, to get you to stop. You won't stop. Don't blame the moderator. You're getting what you give little :censored:.

Reap it.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2022 05:01 PM

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Here's the uninformed or lazy media for you. Lombardi says Payton's contract is up at the end of the coming season, but doesn't realize he signed a five year extension through 2026 back in 2019. He's getting slammed for the false info ... including by Triplett!


saintfan 01-17-2022 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942091)
Here's the uninformed or lazy media for you. Lombardi says Payton's contract is up at the end of the season, but doesn't realize he signed a five year extension through 2026 back in 2019. He's getting slammed for the false info ... including by Triplett!

https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/sta...59641768878081

Uninformed and lazy, and you clicked and shared. Good job little :censored:

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 09:02 AM

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Our newest Pro Bowler ...


saintfan 01-18-2022 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942124)

Why do you put a birthday in the roster thread? Are you ghey?

AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 10:42 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 11:01 AM

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One of the most important days in Saints history!


AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 11:35 AM

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BigNutz Lutz sighting.


AsylumGuido 01-18-2022 03:59 PM

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jeanpierre 01-18-2022 06:41 PM

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Crusader 01-19-2022 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 942196)

I would like for us to draft a RB somewhere in round 3-4. I believe we need a real power back to pair with Kamara, someone who can get the tough yards inside the box. Ingram has a little value because he knows the system well but is clearly on the downside of his career.

The rest of the backs we had this year...? Pfff...

FinSaint 01-19-2022 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 942129)
Why do you put a birthday in the roster thread? Are you ghey?

Are you 5 y/o?

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942206)
I would like for us to draft a RB somewhere in round 3-4. I believe we need a real power back to pair with Kamara, someone who can get the tough yards inside the box. Ingram has a little value because he knows the system well but is clearly on the downside of his career.

The rest of the backs we had this year...? Pfff...

Yeah, Tony Jones Jr. showed a little promise, but nobody has the ability that Kamara has to create a hole when it isn't there and with what we were forced to march out there on the o-line much of the season they weren't there.

saintfan 01-19-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 942207)
Are you 5 y/o?

When in Rome...

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 08:40 AM

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halloween 65 01-19-2022 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942206)
I would like for us to draft a RB somewhere in round 3-4. I believe we need a real power back to pair with Kamara, someone who can get the tough yards inside the box. Ingram has a little value because he knows the system well but is clearly on the downside of his career.

The rest of the backs we had this year...? Pfff...

I've been screaming this for years to (Paytons) deaf ears. Or at least posting it here for years. Best true power style we run under Payton was the 3 headed monster running attack and it worked out pretty good, throw in a really good TE and add a couple of this years FA WR's we're top notch again. I'm not so worried about the O-line simply because Payton (usually) knows how to build a good line even though Peat and Ruiz need to get their crap together or demoted to backups.

FinSaint 01-19-2022 09:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 942217)
When in Rome...

I didn't know travelling affected one's mental age...

jeanpierre 01-19-2022 09:42 AM

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2022 New Orleans Saints - Offseason

OFFENSE

QB (3) 7 - Taysom Hill, 16 - Ian Book, 6 – Blake Bortles (RFC 2022)

RB (4) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 14 - Mark Ingram, 21 - Tony Jones Jr.

FB (1) 46 - Adam Prentice, 45 – Garrett Griffin (RFC 2022)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 17 - Kevin White (RFC 2022)

WR-S (2) 1 - Marquez Callaway, 80 - Kawaan Baker (RFC 2022), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (RFA 2022)

LT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Ethan Greenidge (RFA 2022)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton

C (1) 78 - Erik McCoy, 68 - Cohl Cabral (RFC 2022)

RG (1) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 63 - Jerald Hawkins (RFC 2022)

RT (1) 74 - James Hurst, 67 - Landon Young

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett, 89 - Dylan Soehner, 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2022)

WR-Z (2) 11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (RFC 2022), 18 - Easop Winston (RFC 2022)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 96 - Carl Granderson (ERFA 2022)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle (RFA 2022), 95 - Albert Huggins (ERFA 2022), 77 - Jalen Dalton (ERFA 2022)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach (RFC 2022), 52 – Braxton Hoyett (RFC 2022)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 50 - Andrew Dowell

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 53 - Zach Baun, 59 - Sharif Finch (RFC 2022)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 25 - Ken Crawley, 37 – Dylan Maybin (RFC 2022)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 35 - KeiVarae Russell (RFC 2022)

FS (2) 48 - J.T. Gray

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 31 - Bryce Thompson (RFC 2022)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo, 21 - Bradley Roby, 36 - Jordan Miller (RFC 2022)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz, 6 - Brett Maher (RFA 2021)

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harty (RFA 2022]


90-man Roster Count - Total: 63; Offense: 31; Defense: 28; Kicking: 4

Reserve/Injured

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2022)

Restricted Free Agent (RFA 2022)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2022)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2022)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2022)

Waivers (Wv 2022)

Practice Squad (PS 2022)

Reserve/Injured (NFI), Reserve/Non-Football Injury (NFI), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP)

Reserve/Retired

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return


Note: RFAs and ERFAs are not technically under contract, but the Saints currently hold contractual rights to those players

saintfan 01-19-2022 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 942230)
I didn't know travelling affected one's mental age...

See, the board is Rome, and Gueedo is...eh, never mind.

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FinSaint 01-19-2022 10:35 AM

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I guess sarcasm is a foreign concept?

saintfan 01-19-2022 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 942241)
I guess sarcasm is a foreign concept?

Not at all. Sarcasm is a way to communicate hostile emotions. Gweedoh uses it regularly to attack members here. Because he is passive aggressive.

You're using it to attack me.

Since I don't have a beef with you, and since I'm not aware of any other members here who have a beef with you, I'm going to gracefully exit this exchange with you.

You can attack me - I truly don't care. Because this isn't about you, even after you injected yourself. Now you have a GREAT day sir.

See what I did there? So easy any 5 y/o can do it. :rolleyes:

:banana:

FinSaint 01-19-2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 942243)
Not at all. Sarcasm is a way to communicate hostile emotions. Gweedoh uses it regularly to attack members here. Because he is passive aggressive.



You're using it to attack me.



Since I don't have a beef with you, and since I'm not aware of any other members here who have a beef with you, I'm going to gracefully exit this exchange with you.



You can attack me - I truly don't care. Because this isn't about you, even after you injected yourself. Now you have a GREAT day sir.



See what I did there? So easy any 5 y/o can do it. :rolleyes:



:banana:

I wasn't attacking you, I was merely expressing my contempt of your usage of a homophobic slur and the lack of maturity that conveyed in my opinion.

saintfan 01-19-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 942259)
I wasn't attacking you, I was merely expressing my contempt of your usage of a homophobic slur and the lack of maturity that conveyed in my opinion.

And yet you called me a 5 year old? Seriously it's okay. I don't care.

Anybody who defends speedo's behavior here can't know much about maturity on the internet tho, or they're not paying attention.

That's not an attack. Just my opinion.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 04:20 PM

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jeanpierre 01-19-2022 08:57 PM

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jeanpierre 01-19-2022 09:00 PM

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Crusader 01-20-2022 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 942229)
I've been screaming this for years to (Paytons) deaf ears. Or at least posting it here for years. Best true power style we run under Payton was the 3 headed monster running attack and it worked out pretty good, throw in a really good TE and add a couple of this years FA WR's we're top notch again. I'm not so worried about the O-line simply because Payton (usually) knows how to build a good line even though Peat and Ruiz need to get their crap together or demoted to backups.

When Peat plays well he is a really good guard, big and pretty mobile, moves people. The problem is that he very seldom plays to that level.I've been pretty patient with my opinions on him, seeing how I thought he would develop some concistency and hopefully raise his floor closer to his ceiling.

Now however I think its time to go in another direction. Either trough FA or the draft. We need somebody who can consistantly open holes in the running game.

How much would it cost us to cut him?

Speaking of TEs, what I've seen from our group this year is a willingness to block. None of them have really wowed us in the passing game but I've seen good effort from the whole group when it comes to blocking, and chansing bodies downfield to hit.

Crusader 01-20-2022 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 942293)

If we get Thomas back healthy the group is a WHOLE lot better in an instant and will make the life easier for any QB back there. His short game and ability to find the sticks is sparsely rivaled in the leauge.

I'd bring Smith back if he'd be willing to sign for something close to what he had on his last contract. I would expect him to fight for the 3-4 WR spots.

Harris is a given due to his ability as a returner. He has (vertically) limited upside as a WR but can be a decet target on deep balls every now and then.

Callaway is cheap and seems to be getting better. He lacks a little speed but otherwise he has some decent tools for someone who was undrafted.

I'd like to see us add someone who can really stretch the field on the outside but also get work done on shorter routes.

FinSaint 01-20-2022 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 942263)
And yet you called me a 5 year old? Seriously it's okay. I don't care.



Anybody who defends speedo's behavior here can't know much about maturity on the internet tho, or they're not paying attention.



That's not an attack. Just my opinion.

Well, I didn't call you a 5 year old. I asked if you were 5, because I was actually hoping your use of words were due to lack of maturity or a lapse in judgement.

The other alternative would be that they stem from hate, and I wish that isn't the case, because hate only breeds more hate.

My intention is not to defend another forum member or their actions - it is merely to encourage civility in the public discussions on this board.

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AsylumGuido 01-20-2022 08:10 AM

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halloween 65 01-20-2022 08:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942298)
When Peat plays well he is a really good guard, big and pretty mobile, moves people. The problem is that he very seldom plays to that level.I've been pretty patient with my opinions on him, seeing how I thought he would develop some concistency and hopefully raise his floor closer to his ceiling.

Now however I think its time to go in another direction. Either trough FA or the draft. We need somebody who can consistantly open holes in the running game.

How much would it cost us to cut him?

Speaking of TEs, what I've seen from our group this year is a willingness to block. None of them have really wowed us in the passing game but I've seen good effort from the whole group when it comes to blocking, and chansing bodies downfield to hit.

I agree whole hardedly with your post. Peat is a mountain of a man and being as big as he is I don't think he has a mean streak in him at all and I believe that's the problem. He has the tools but to soft, As far as a TE, your assessment is spot on, decent enough blocking but not much in the hands department, I'm looking for a TE that can do both very well, makes life easier on the run and passing game.


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