Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

SaintGnome · 02-05-2022, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Drew’s play in the playoffs is a large reason we were only a play away over the last four years. He was mediocre and often exposed in the offs for his inability to push the ball downfield. He should have took the discount in the early 2010’s instead of towards the end of his career. Maybe we could have spent more money on the defense and we could have overcome some of those failures. The thing is, I really remember. 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s in the playoffs since the 2013 season.

I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell.

rezburna · 02-05-2022, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell.

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

AsylumGuido · 02-05-2022, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me.

saintfan · 02-05-2022, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me.

Looks like you don't. I doubt you've had an original thought since 1973...

SaintGnome · 02-05-2022, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I blame about 60% on Brees

Wow, harsh.

SaintGnome · 02-05-2022, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

rezburna · 02-05-2022, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

dizzle88 · 02-06-2022, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

saintsfan1976 · 02-06-2022, 07:42 AM

Was Brees limited as time wore on? Of course. But 60% of the blame? Not even close.

halloween 65 · 02-06-2022, 07:43 AM

It was around 2016-17. Brees deep ball was fading. He still could thread the needle on 30-35 yds. downfield at that time. Our problem was Payton wouldn't commit to the run game and Thomas was the main focus, made it easy for DC's to figure us out. He tried his best to make Kamara into Marshall Faulk and it never worked which also limited our O.

02-05-2022, 08:16 PM	#31
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Drew’s play in the playoffs is a large reason we were only a play away over the last four years. He was mediocre and often exposed in the offs for his inability to push the ball downfield. He should have took the discount in the early 2010’s instead of towards the end of his career. Maybe we could have spent more money on the defense and we could have overcome some of those failures. The thing is, I really remember. 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s in the playoffs since the 2013 season. I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell.

02-05-2022, 08:33 PM	#32
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by SaintGnome I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell. I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

02-05-2022, 08:37 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck. 20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me.

02-05-2022, 08:40 PM	#34
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido 20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me. Looks like you don't. I doubt you've had an original thought since 1973...

02-05-2022, 08:42 PM	#35
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I blame about 60% on Brees Wow, harsh.

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02-05-2022, 09:35 PM	#36
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck. You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

02-05-2022, 11:04 PM	#37
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by SaintGnome You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy. Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep. AsylumGuido and dizzle88 like this.
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02-06-2022, 05:55 AM	#38
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep. Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. rezburna likes this.

02-06-2022, 07:42 AM	#39
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Was Brees limited as time wore on? Of course. But 60% of the blame? Not even close. iceshack149 likes this.

02-06-2022, 07:43 AM	#40
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints It was around 2016-17. Brees deep ball was fading. He still could thread the needle on 30-35 yds. downfield at that time. Our problem was Payton wouldn't commit to the run game and Thomas was the main focus, made it easy for DC's to figure us out. He tried his best to make Kamara into Marshall Faulk and it never worked which also limited our O.