Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

SaintGnome · 02-05-2022, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

rezburna · 02-05-2022, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

dizzle88 · 02-06-2022, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

rezburna · 02-06-2022, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

This.

K Major · 02-06-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

saintfan · 02-06-2022, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one?

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TheOak · 02-09-2022, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...

You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...

You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?

SaintGnome · 02-06-2022, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. .

Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

02-05-2022, 08:35 PM	#1
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck. You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

02-05-2022, 10:04 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by SaintGnome You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy. Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep. AsylumGuido and dizzle88 like this.
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02-06-2022, 04:55 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep. Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. rezburna likes this.

02-06-2022, 09:51 AM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. This. dizzle88 likes this.

02-06-2022, 09:57 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

02-06-2022, 11:35 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by K Major Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

02-06-2022, 11:49 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting. Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one? Every step you take. Every post you make. K Major likes this.

02-09-2022, 04:55 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting. Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs... You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild. saintfan and K Major like this.
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02-09-2022, 08:49 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by TheOak Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs... You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild. First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season. Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?
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02-06-2022, 06:56 PM	#10
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. . Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.