Head Coach Search

rezburna · 02-02-2022, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

saintsfan1976 · 02-03-2022, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated.

So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"?

Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating?

There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2022, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated.

So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"?

Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating?

There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous.

Included in the lawsuit is a section that proposes some things that may help. Maddy Hudak's breakdown of that section is in this tweet. Note points 2. a. and b. This would fairly demonstrate the rational for hiring, not hiring, and/or firing all individuals (black, white, green, purple, male, female, other). I understand that several public entities successfully use this methodology.

saintsfan1976 · 02-03-2022, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Included in the lawsuit is a section that proposes some things that may help. Maddy Hudak's breakdown of that section is in this tweet. Note points 2. a. and b. This would fairly demonstrate the rational for hiring, not hiring, and/or firing all individuals (black, white, green, purple, male, female, other). I understand that several public entities successfully use this methodology.

https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...06454676770816

These numbers aren't necessarily evidence of racism or injustice.

His examples are full of flawed logic in my opinion.

1a - so who do you take ownership from? Do you create a new franchise out of thin air to be specifically black owned?

1b - how is this not already happening

2a - good luck finding written examples that will satisfy disgruntled candidates

2b - slippery slope. too many factors can influence the decision to employ a HC and good luck comparing "well, so and so did the same thing with a different roster and different division and different owners"

3, 4, 5 - correct me if I'm wrong already exist.

02-02-2022, 05:48 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it. The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

02-03-2022, 07:07 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade. Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated. So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"? Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating? There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous.

02-03-2022, 07:58 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated. So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"? Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating? There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous. Included in the lawsuit is a section that proposes some things that may help. Maddy Hudak's breakdown of that section is in this tweet. Note points 2. a. and b. This would fairly demonstrate the rational for hiring, not hiring, and/or firing all individuals (black, white, green, purple, male, female, other). I understand that several public entities successfully use this methodology. Twitter

02-03-2022, 08:53 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Included in the lawsuit is a section that proposes some things that may help. Maddy Hudak's breakdown of that section is in this tweet. Note points 2. a. and b. This would fairly demonstrate the rational for hiring, not hiring, and/or firing all individuals (black, white, green, purple, male, female, other). I understand that several public entities successfully use this methodology. https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...06454676770816 These numbers aren't necessarily evidence of racism or injustice. His examples are full of flawed logic in my opinion. 1a - so who do you take ownership from? Do you create a new franchise out of thin air to be specifically black owned? 1b - how is this not already happening 2a - good luck finding written examples that will satisfy disgruntled candidates 2b - slippery slope. too many factors can influence the decision to employ a HC and good luck comparing "well, so and so did the same thing with a different roster and different division and different owners" 3, 4, 5 - correct me if I'm wrong already exist.