Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans

RailBoss · 02-09-2022, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Have to believe SP is a call or at least a text away. Not that he wants to lean on Sean but I'm sure they discussed plans beyond 2022 when Sean was the presumed HC through 2025...

I agree judging from what I see the NFL Coaching Brotherhood seems to be long lasting especially for those who came up the ladder together.
I can always remember Sean being tight with Gruden which stemmed from the days back in Philly.
But it's DA's time now and he didn't waste much time in getting his house in order.

Crusader · 02-10-2022, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off.

I was about to make that point but you beat me to it.

I just love the wealth of experience DA is bringing in. We probably gonna have to do a little bargain shopping in FA and rely on the draft to navigate trough a pretty rough cap situation and having coaches that, hopefully, can get the best out of unheralded players will be key.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 10:25 AM

Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue.

Dennis Allen appears to be bringing in people he knows that also have a great deal of experience. Win/win.

K Major · 02-10-2022, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue.

That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND.

He was a terrible Head Coach.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND.

He was a terrible Head Coach.

Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2022, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is
guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ?

Rugby Saint II · 02-10-2022, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

For the right price I agree. His history of injury scares me

Then he was born to play in New Orleans.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is
guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ?

It doesn't matter who it came from, it just so happens to have come from him. The guest was a coach, as well, I can't remember who, however, and he agreed completely. Weis very well may still have sucked as a head coach, but they both knew his hiring practices were faulty. It is still a truism. Correct? It makes perfect sense, does it not?

Or are you saying it's better to hire coaches who are friends with no experience (what he said he did at Notre Dame)? Are you saying it is better to hire experienced coaches that you have no prior working relationships or understanding of common ways of thinking (what he said he did later at Kansas)?

Or are you simply arguing the point just for the sake of arguing?

saintsfan1976 · 02-10-2022, 01:19 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe there isn't a cap on the number of coaches/assistants a team can have.

So if you can afford it, why not bring in specialized instructors and analysts?

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe there isn't a cap on the number of coaches/assistants a team can have.

So if you can afford it, why not bring in specialized instructors and analysts?

I don't believe there is any limit. It's up to the owner's pocketbook. I was reading the other day about some owner in the very recent past that wouldn't allow the GM to bring in a special analyst. It was either Miami or J'ville, I believe.

02-09-2022, 08:37 PM	#11
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Have to believe SP is a call or at least a text away. Not that he wants to lean on Sean but I'm sure they discussed plans beyond 2022 when Sean was the presumed HC through 2025... I agree judging from what I see the NFL Coaching Brotherhood seems to be long lasting especially for those who came up the ladder together. I can always remember Sean being tight with Gruden which stemmed from the days back in Philly. But it's DA's time now and he didn't waste much time in getting his house in order. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-10-2022, 04:25 AM	#12
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by SaintGnome Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off. I was about to make that point but you beat me to it. I just love the wealth of experience DA is bringing in. We probably gonna have to do a little bargain shopping in FA and rely on the draft to navigate trough a pretty rough cap situation and having coaches that, hopefully, can get the best out of unheralded players will be key. RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and SaintGnome like this.

02-10-2022, 10:25 AM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue. Dennis Allen appears to be bringing in people he knows that also have a great deal of experience. Win/win. Thirty3 likes this.

02-10-2022, 10:50 AM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue. That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND. He was a terrible Head Coach. AsylumGuido and bobdog86 like this.

02-10-2022, 11:45 AM	#15
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by K Major That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND. He was a terrible Head Coach. Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton. Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ? K Major likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by voodooido For the right price I agree. His history of injury scares me Then he was born to play in New Orleans. RailBoss likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by Boston Saint Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ? It doesn't matter who it came from, it just so happens to have come from him. The guest was a coach, as well, I can't remember who, however, and he agreed completely. Weis very well may still have sucked as a head coach, but they both knew his hiring practices were faulty. It is still a truism. Correct? It makes perfect sense, does it not? Or are you saying it's better to hire coaches who are friends with no experience (what he said he did at Notre Dame)? Are you saying it is better to hire experienced coaches that you have no prior working relationships or understanding of common ways of thinking (what he said he did later at Kansas)? Or are you simply arguing the point just for the sake of arguing?
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe there isn't a cap on the number of coaches/assistants a team can have. So if you can afford it, why not bring in specialized instructors and analysts? AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-10-2022, 01:30 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe there isn't a cap on the number of coaches/assistants a team can have. So if you can afford it, why not bring in specialized instructors and analysts? I don't believe there is any limit. It's up to the owner's pocketbook. I was reading the other day about some owner in the very recent past that wouldn't allow the GM to bring in a special analyst. It was either Miami or J'ville, I believe.