Saints sign S Sorensen

TheOak · 03-28-2022, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well.

These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac:

MAR 15 2022
DJ Chark, WR
Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET)

MAR 15 2022
Russell Gage, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB)

MAR 14 2022
Cedrick Wilson, WR
Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA)

MAR 14 2022
Christian Kirk, WR
Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

MAR 14 2022
Zay Jones, WR
Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ...

MAR 24 2022
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC)

The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand).

That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things?

1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards.

2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol.

In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand.

3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day.
4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply.

A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed.

If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table.

AsylumGuido · 03-28-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things?

1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards.

2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol.

In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand.

3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day.
4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply.

A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed.

If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table.

Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS.

A change in either demand, or supply, or both affects the market value. There is no need for either to remain constant except for simplification purposes for an example.

There was a limited supply of upper tier WR's when free agency began. There was also set of franchises willing and able to pay what it took to get one of these WR's. This set a very high early market price in the mind of the remaining WR's. An example is Jarvis Landry figuring $20 million per year was his value based upon the market at that point. The unwillingness of the remaining franchises in need to pay those top dollar figures on the remaining current supply of WR's is a reduction of demand which will, in turn, drive the market price point down. The quickly approaching draft also affects the market for WR's as it adds a new wave of supply into the equation.

saintfan · 03-28-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by speedo

Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS.

You're always at a loss for words until someone tweets a few you can steal. As for condescending BS, well, Larry, takes one to know one eh?

SmashMouth · 03-28-2022, 12:29 PM

TheOak · 03-28-2022, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS.

A change in either demand, or supply, or both affects the market value. There is no need for either to remain constant except for simplification purposes for an example.

There was a limited supply of upper tier WR's when free agency began. There was also set of franchises willing and able to pay what it took to get one of these WR's. This set a very high early market price in the mind of the remaining WR's. An example is Jarvis Landry figuring $20 million per year was his value based upon the market at that point. The unwillingness of the remaining franchises in need to pay those top dollar figures on the remaining current supply of WR's is a reduction of demand which will, in turn, drive the market price point down. The quickly approaching draft also affects the market for WR's as it adds a new wave of supply into the equation.

‘Someone incorrectly figuring their own value’ is your example of where the market is at a given point? seriously?

AsylumGuido · 03-28-2022, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

‘Someone incorrectly figuring their own value’ is your example of where the market is at a given point? seriously?

Of course not. Nevermind. You are completely missing the point.

Simply put, it makes sense to wait and let the WR's start to get desperate for a deal and lower THEIR expectations. In other words, Landry will be forced to settle for less because the demand at this point isn't high enough to warrant paying him that much for the remaining teams in the market.

Boston Saint · 03-28-2022, 01:28 PM

I’m not touching this even with my ten foot pole….Maybe I will with my twelve footer.

jnormand · 03-28-2022, 01:56 PM

This was the splash signing the Saints needed to get over the top. Super Bowl here we come!!!

FinSaint · 03-28-2022, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...59051033759751

Thank god for that at least.

Boston Saint · 03-28-2022, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Thank god for that at least.

Camp Body.

03-28-2022, 09:44 AM	#51
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well. These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac: MAR 15 2022 DJ Chark, WR Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET) MAR 15 2022 Russell Gage, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB) MAR 14 2022 Cedrick Wilson, WR Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA) MAR 14 2022 Christian Kirk, WR Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) MAR 14 2022 Zay Jones, WR Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ... MAR 24 2022 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC) The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand). That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things? 1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards. 2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol. In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand. 3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day. 4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply. A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed. If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table. iceshack149 likes this.
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03-28-2022, 11:35 AM	#52
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by TheOak That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things? 1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards. 2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol. In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand. 3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day. 4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply. A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed. If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table. Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS. A change in either demand, or supply, or both affects the market value. There is no need for either to remain constant except for simplification purposes for an example. There was a limited supply of upper tier WR's when free agency began. There was also set of franchises willing and able to pay what it took to get one of these WR's. This set a very high early market price in the mind of the remaining WR's. An example is Jarvis Landry figuring $20 million per year was his value based upon the market at that point. The unwillingness of the remaining franchises in need to pay those top dollar figures on the remaining current supply of WR's is a reduction of demand which will, in turn, drive the market price point down. The quickly approaching draft also affects the market for WR's as it adds a new wave of supply into the equation.
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03-28-2022, 12:07 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by speedo Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS. You're always at a loss for words until someone tweets a few you can steal. As for condescending BS, well, Larry, takes one to know one eh?
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03-28-2022, 12:29 PM	#54
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,124 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Twitter

03-28-2022, 01:18 PM	#55
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS. A change in either demand, or supply, or both affects the market value. There is no need for either to remain constant except for simplification purposes for an example. There was a limited supply of upper tier WR's when free agency began. There was also set of franchises willing and able to pay what it took to get one of these WR's. This set a very high early market price in the mind of the remaining WR's. An example is Jarvis Landry figuring $20 million per year was his value based upon the market at that point. The unwillingness of the remaining franchises in need to pay those top dollar figures on the remaining current supply of WR's is a reduction of demand which will, in turn, drive the market price point down. The quickly approaching draft also affects the market for WR's as it adds a new wave of supply into the equation. ‘Someone incorrectly figuring their own value’ is your example of where the market is at a given point? seriously?

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03-28-2022, 01:24 PM	#56
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by TheOak ‘Someone incorrectly figuring their own value’ is your example of where the market is at a given point? seriously? Of course not. Nevermind. You are completely missing the point. Simply put, it makes sense to wait and let the WR's start to get desperate for a deal and lower THEIR expectations. In other words, Landry will be forced to settle for less because the demand at this point isn't high enough to warrant paying him that much for the remaining teams in the market. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-28-2022, 01:28 PM	#57
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen I’m not touching this even with my ten foot pole….Maybe I will with my twelve footer. saintfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-28-2022, 01:56 PM	#58
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen This was the splash signing the Saints needed to get over the top. Super Bowl here we come!!! saintfan, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

03-28-2022, 03:00 PM	#59
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...59051033759751 Thank god for that at least.

03-28-2022, 03:19 PM	#60
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by FinSaint Thank god for that at least. Camp Body.