Saints sign S Sorensen

AsylumGuido · 03-26-2022, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Please explain how the WR market adjusts? I’m literally going to stare at this page until you elaborate.

Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well.

These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac:

MAR 15 2022
DJ Chark, WR
Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET)

MAR 15 2022
Russell Gage, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB)

MAR 14 2022
Cedrick Wilson, WR
Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA)

MAR 14 2022
Christian Kirk, WR
Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

MAR 14 2022
Zay Jones, WR
Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ...

MAR 24 2022
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC)

The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand).

TheOak · 03-28-2022, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well.

These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac:

MAR 15 2022
DJ Chark, WR
Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET)

MAR 15 2022
Russell Gage, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB)

MAR 14 2022
Cedrick Wilson, WR
Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA)

MAR 14 2022
Christian Kirk, WR
Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

MAR 14 2022
Zay Jones, WR
Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ...

MAR 24 2022
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC)

The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand).

That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things?

1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards.

2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol.

In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand.

3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day.
4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply.

A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed.

If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table.

K Major · 03-25-2022, 04:18 PM

Would feel a lot better about the depth if PJ Williams was re-signed.

Lord_Saint83 · 03-25-2022, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Would feel a lot better about the depth if PJ Williams was re-signed.

I agree. They aren’t instilling me with a lot of confidence

SmashMouth · 03-25-2022, 04:25 PM

So.... no championship then?

K Major · 03-25-2022, 05:17 PM

Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach.

Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level.

If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼.

AsylumGuido · 03-25-2022, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach.

Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level.

If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼.

What FA WR have they missed out on that they should have and could have signed so far?

saintfan · 03-25-2022, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What FA WR have they missed out on that they should have and could have signed so far?

Is that even a serious question? Why don't you tweet us a list of all the FA WRs who've signed elsewhere. You're the "insider"...

SmashMouth · 03-25-2022, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach.

Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level.

If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼.

In all fairness, I think they tried. But we've discovered that NOLA is no longer a destination of preference, for a variety of reasons. It can still be, but it'll be defined by the success they have in the beginning of DA's tenure. We've the cap situation to deal with as a limiting factor for some of those outrageous contracts handed out. Example of Cleveland comes to mind with DW. I mean, who'd want to live in Cleveland ?!?

jeanpierre · 03-25-2022, 06:02 PM

Puzzling signing - Is Malcolm Jenkins on the move? retiring?

Has Marcus Maye had some regression in his rehab from Achilles Tendon Sx?

Is J.T. Gray being moved?

Is this leverage against P.J. Williams asking for too much coin?

Is he being moved to a rover LBer?

03-26-2022, 09:34 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by TheOak Please explain how the WR market adjusts? I’m literally going to stare at this page until you elaborate. Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well. These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac: MAR 15 2022 DJ Chark, WR Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET) MAR 15 2022 Russell Gage, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB) MAR 14 2022 Cedrick Wilson, WR Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA) MAR 14 2022 Christian Kirk, WR Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) MAR 14 2022 Zay Jones, WR Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ... MAR 24 2022 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC) The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand).
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

03-28-2022, 08:44 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well. These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac: MAR 15 2022 DJ Chark, WR Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET) MAR 15 2022 Russell Gage, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB) MAR 14 2022 Cedrick Wilson, WR Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA) MAR 14 2022 Christian Kirk, WR Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) MAR 14 2022 Zay Jones, WR Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC) Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ... MAR 24 2022 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC) The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand). That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things? 1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards. 2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol. In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand. 3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day. 4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply. A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed. If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table. iceshack149 likes this.
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03-25-2022, 04:18 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Would feel a lot better about the depth if PJ Williams was re-signed. RailBoss, Rsanders24 and Lord_Saint83 like this.

03-25-2022, 04:43 PM	#4
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by K Major Would feel a lot better about the depth if PJ Williams was re-signed. I agree. They aren’t instilling me with a lot of confidence

03-25-2022, 04:25 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen So.... no championship then? saintfan likes this.

03-25-2022, 05:17 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach. Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level. If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼. SmashMouth and Lord_Saint83 like this.

03-25-2022, 05:21 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by K Major Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach. Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level. If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼. What FA WR have they missed out on that they should have and could have signed so far?

03-25-2022, 05:22 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What FA WR have they missed out on that they should have and could have signed so far? Is that even a serious question? Why don't you tweet us a list of all the FA WRs who've signed elsewhere. You're the "insider"... K Major likes this.

03-25-2022, 05:26 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Originally Posted by K Major Saints were willing to mortgage the farm & draft capital on Watson but want to pinch pennies at a position of need?? Gotcha coach. Bargain bin, great value players take L’s on Sundays at this level. If the Saints draft for NEED instead of in Free Agency, it’s is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. What do I know, I’m just a couch coach though 🤷🏼. In all fairness, I think they tried. But we've discovered that NOLA is no longer a destination of preference, for a variety of reasons. It can still be, but it'll be defined by the success they have in the beginning of DA's tenure. We've the cap situation to deal with as a limiting factor for some of those outrageous contracts handed out. Example of Cleveland comes to mind with DW. I mean, who'd want to live in Cleveland ?!?

03-25-2022, 06:02 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints sign S Sorensen Puzzling signing - Is Malcolm Jenkins on the move? retiring? Has Marcus Maye had some regression in his rehab from Achilles Tendon Sx? Is J.T. Gray being moved? Is this leverage against P.J. Williams asking for too much coin? Is he being moved to a rover LBer?
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