Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade

04-05-2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2022, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

It’s so weird how the “analysts” don’t like this trade because they basically believe the Saints shouldn’t be trying to compete this year.

This is what I like most about the Saints under Loomis. They are always trying to compete every year. For the past decade and a half we have always had the chance of making the playoffs. We haven't had a single season where we were a third of the way through the season and already looking at draft positions like in the past.

turbo_dog · 04-05-2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Boston Saint · 04-05-2022, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him.

K Major · 04-05-2022, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Legitimate concern.

I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2022, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him.

Given he has been arguably the most impactful WR in the NFL in the past decade I feel that support is warranted. He was always described as having a chip on his shoulder and a hunger to be the best. I'm expecting that chip and hunger to still be there.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2022, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Only if one is concerned over his desire and determination. His game has never been dependent on his physical abilities. The guy only ran a 4.57 40. His vertical was only in the 44 percentile. His 60 yard shuttle was in the bottom 4th.

Lord_Saint83 · 04-05-2022, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Legitimate concern.

I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT.

Me too. But even if he comes back 75% as good he once was. He’ll still be fairly dangerous, paired with a good no. 2

SmashMouth · 04-05-2022, 10:46 AM

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Rugby Saint II · 04-05-2022, 11:48 AM

I like it! Remember, there is a very good chance that Payton comes back to coaching and we restock heavily again next year. Ain't skeered!

04-05-2022, 08:49 AM	#61
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by turbo_dog Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago. It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury. As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.
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04-05-2022, 08:54 AM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by ChrisXVI It’s so weird how the “analysts” don’t like this trade because they basically believe the Saints shouldn’t be trying to compete this year. This is what I like most about the Saints under Loomis. They are always trying to compete every year. For the past decade and a half we have always had the chance of making the playoffs. We haven't had a single season where we were a third of the way through the season and already looking at draft positions like in the past. saintsfan1976, ChrisXVI and Boston Saint like this.

04-05-2022, 09:04 AM	#63
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury. As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back. It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. jnormand, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

04-05-2022, 09:18 AM	#64
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-05-2022, 09:22 AM	#65
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Legitimate concern. I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT. Lord_Saint83 likes this.

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04-05-2022, 09:31 AM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Only if one is concerned over his desire and determination. His game has never been dependent on his physical abilities. The guy only ran a 4.57 40. His vertical was only in the 44 percentile. His 60 yard shuttle was in the bottom 4th.

04-05-2022, 09:52 AM	#68
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by K Major Legitimate concern. I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT. Me too. But even if he comes back 75% as good he once was. He’ll still be fairly dangerous, paired with a good no. 2 K Major likes this.

04-05-2022, 10:46 AM	#69
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04-05-2022, 11:48 AM	#70
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade I like it! Remember, there is a very good chance that Payton comes back to coaching and we restock heavily again next year. Ain't skeered! Pete and Boston Saint like this.