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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure. It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and ...

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure.
It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.
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Old 05-05-2022, 10:27 AM   #52
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It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.
Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".



And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?

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Hurricane force winds. Lmao!
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Old 05-05-2022, 10:55 AM   #54
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Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".



And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?
So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS.

What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks?

Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.

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So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS.

What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks?

Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.
Why is your mission in life to always "try" to prove me wrong? I can say the sky is blue and you'll claim it isn't. LOL!

And, no, I cannot "admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better". Please explain to me how trading away multiple first round draft picks as the Rams have been doing is a better way of approaching the draft than how the Saints approach it? I can't wait to hear this one!


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Why is your mission in life to always "try" to prove me wrong? I can say the sky is blue and you'll claim it isn't. LOL!

And, no, I cannot "admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better". Please explain to me how trading away multiple first round draft picks as the Rams have been doing is a better way of approaching the draft than how the Saints approach it? I can't wait to hear this one!

Now you are Playing the victim card because I disagree with the point you made?! What is “mission in life” and “always” supposed to mean? I haven’t replied to you in weeks or even brought you up. I’ve purposely avoided posting to you. What a friggin ego you have. Saintfan had you pegged dead on. You got into it with a few users the other day and I completely avoided joining in and getting into it with you. I guess it was their mission in life to argue with you too, huh? I don’t appreciate your miss characterizations, accusations, and lies about me.

This site doesn’t revolve around you. You made a Statement about how one cannot form a logical argument against the way the Saints have handled the draft under Loomis based upon their success. I provided a logical argument and a concrete example by pointing out the Rams who have had more success and handled the draft differently. How in your twisted little mind you can turn that into a life mission to argue with you is nuts. If you don’t like people expressing a difference in opinions maybe you should quit posting stupid statements like that.

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Now you are Playing the victim card because I disagree with the point you made?! What is “mission in life” and “always” supposed to mean? I haven’t replied to you in weeks or even brought you up. I’ve purposely avoided posting to you. What a friggin ego you have. Saintfan had you pegged dead on. You got into it with a few users the other day and I completely avoided joining in and getting into it with you. I guess it was their mission in life to argue with you too, huh? I don’t appreciate your miss characterizations, accusations, and lies about me.

This site doesn’t revolve around you. You made a Statement about how one cannot form a logical argument against the way the Saints have handled the draft under Loomis based upon their success. I provided a logical argument and a concrete example by pointing out the Rams who have had more success and handled the draft differently. How in your twisted little mind you can turn that into a life mission to argue with you is nuts. If you don’t like people expressing a difference in opinions maybe you should quit posting stupid statements like that.
You are definitely a trip, Boston. LOL!
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You are definitely a trip, Boston. LOL!
Oh yes. Such a mature response having nothing to do with any of the points brought up. Just insult and run. It’s pretty much all you got. So to recap…

You say because the Saints have had the success the have had under Loomis a logical critique of the way they handle the draft can’t be made.

I disagree and provide a logical critique

You attempt to say there is little/no difference in the way the Rams and Saints approach the draft.

I say there is

You freak out and ask why I have a life long mission to always disagree with you.

I point out how I don’t and don’t appreciate your lies.

You call me a trip.

So…I say a logical argument can be made. I’ve made it. I think others on here would agree with me.

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Oh yes. Such a mature response having nothing to do with any of the points brought up. Just insult and run. It’s pretty much all you got. So to recap…

You say because the Saints have had the success the have had under Loomis a logical critique of the way they handle the draft can’t be made.

I disagree and provide a logical critique

You attempt to say there is little/no difference in the way the Rams and Saints approach the draft.

I say there is

You freak out and ask why I have a life long mission to always disagree with you.

I point out how I don’t and don’t appreciate your lies.

You call me a trip.

So…I say a logical argument can be made. I’ve made it. I think others on here would agree with me.
Since when is finding humor in something "freaking out". LOL!

And you made the argument that the Rams have a superior draft strategy than the Saints by trading away all of their first round picks since 2016 for established veterans. Okie dokie.
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And you made the argument that the Rams have a superior draft strategy than the Saints….
No. Here is where you are twisting things. You said first…

“ It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy…”

I did not say the Rams were superior. I was ONLY playing devils advocate and giving a logical argument against the Saint’s philosophy by pointing out another successful team (Rams) does it differently.

And when you accuse me of having a “life’s mission” against you, then you are freaking out
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