The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006

darksoul35 · 05-24-2022, 06:08 PM

I like Winston. I think we are in a way better place right now than we wouldve been trading for Watson. They just need to trust him and open the playbook up a little. Our defense should be at least close to top 5.

halloween 65 · 05-24-2022, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I like Winston. I think we are in a way better place right now than we wouldve been trading for Watson. They just need to trust him and open the playbook up a little. Our defense should be at least close to top 5.

That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom
that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me.

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 06:03 AM

The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article...

Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play...

Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section...

Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business...

So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni...

No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels...

Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast...

Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive...

rezburna · 05-25-2022, 07:03 AM

It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article...

Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play...

Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section...

Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business...

So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni...

No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels...

Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast...

Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive...

You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s):

While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final
straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though.

You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments.

It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams.

TheOak · 05-25-2022, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can.

By nearly all accounts Brees exceeded his perceived ceiling (After all, Drew is too short to see over his centers a**

), and Jameis could as well have a similar career.

Once you get to the NFL everyone has a high skill floor, the ceiling development depends a lot on the player. Contrasting Drew Brees vs JaMarcus Russell highlights what happens when work ethic out performs unrefined raw talent.

Speculation gets players into the league, application determines how successful they are, and luck determines how long they stay.

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s):

While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final
straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though.

For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel...

As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results...

Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both...

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments.

Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later...

As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort...

One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM...

Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose...

That's not consistent winning football...

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams.

Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then...

Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on...

Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick...

Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters...

Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production...

The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them...

Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR...

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2022, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom
that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me.

Where did you ever get the idea that Dennis Allen would ever make the offensive calls? That has never been a consideration.

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can.

Not trying parse your words, but I'd say Brees has been the more successful football player; athletically, you're dead on - Winston wins the Combine contest...

As far QBs success, I'd like to know once season is underway what time in the morning the QBs show; Brees use to open the door for the custodian by some accounts...

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel...

As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results...

Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both...

Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later...

As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort...

One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM...

Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose...

That's not consistent winning football...

Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then...

Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on...

Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick...

Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters...

Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production...

The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them...

Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR...

I see. Your “Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs” statement threw me off a little as I feel he’s had great scrutiny. For example he was shredded all over the media for his 30 INT season and people overlooked that he also had 5,000+ yards and 33 TDs that year. By comparison Bret Favre didn’t get near the grief for his 29 INT season in 2005 that had less than 4,000 yards and only 20 TDs. Manning had a worse statistical year than Winston’s early in his career too and he wasn’t knocked as hard as Winston was.

I also think Brees got recognition because the first year he came here he led us to our first NFC championship appearance. And while You are correct that If you take out Winston’s two best games (out of only 6 1/2) he didn’t have great numbers, but he also wasn’t the TO machine he had the label of being. It’s not like any of his replacements did any better.

Plus let’s take a look at Drew’s first year here. If we pull out his two best games (Dallas and Tampa) he had 18 TDs in 14 games. That’s just over 1/game. Very similar to Jameis. Plus he had 11 INTs in those 14 games. That’s worse than Winston’s 2 INT in 4 1/2 games (He threw one against the Redskins game we are throwing out). Just food for thought.

I also think Colston, Horn, and Henderson were better than what Winston had to work with last year.

05-24-2022, 06:08 PM	#11
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05-24-2022, 09:13 PM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by darksoul35 I like Winston. I think we are in a way better place right now than we wouldve been trading for Watson. They just need to trust him and open the playbook up a little. Our defense should be at least close to top 5. That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me. darksoul35 likes this.

05-25-2022, 06:03 AM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article... Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play... Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section... Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business... So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni... No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels... Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast... Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive... iceshack149, jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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05-25-2022, 07:03 AM	#14
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by jeanpierre The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article... Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play... Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section... Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business... So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni... No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels... Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast... Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive... You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s): While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though. You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments. It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams. jeanpierre likes this.
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05-25-2022, 08:00 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by rezburna It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can. By nearly all accounts Brees exceeded his perceived ceiling (After all, Drew is too short to see over his centers a** ), and Jameis could as well have a similar career. Once you get to the NFL everyone has a high skill floor, the ceiling development depends a lot on the player. Contrasting Drew Brees vs JaMarcus Russell highlights what happens when work ethic out performs unrefined raw talent. Speculation gets players into the league, application determines how successful they are, and luck determines how long they stay. iceshack149, SmashMouth, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s): While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though. For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel... As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results... Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both... Originally Posted by Boston Saint You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments. Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later... As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort... One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM... Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose... That's not consistent winning football... Originally Posted by Boston Saint It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams. Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then... Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on... Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick... Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters... Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production... The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them... Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR... jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by halloween 65 That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me. Where did you ever get the idea that Dennis Allen would ever make the offensive calls? That has never been a consideration.

05-25-2022, 09:27 AM	#19
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by rezburna It’s quite simple. Drew Brees is the superior football player. Jameis has more arm talent. He has the size. He has the mobility. However, Brees flourished in every aspect of the game once he came to New Orleans. Because Jameis has more natural talent he of course has a higher ceiling. It’s a ceiling I hope he reaches. If he can’t live up to Brees I won’t hold it against him. It’s only a handful of QB’s in history who can. Not trying parse your words, but I'd say Brees has been the more successful football player; athletically, you're dead on - Winston wins the Combine contest... As far QBs success, I'd like to know once season is underway what time in the morning the QBs show; Brees use to open the door for the custodian by some accounts...

05-25-2022, 09:47 AM	#20
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by jeanpierre For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel... As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results... Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both... Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later... As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort... One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM... Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose... That's not consistent winning football... Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then... Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on... Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick... Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters... Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production... The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them... Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR... I see. Your “Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs” statement threw me off a little as I feel he’s had great scrutiny. For example he was shredded all over the media for his 30 INT season and people overlooked that he also had 5,000+ yards and 33 TDs that year. By comparison Bret Favre didn’t get near the grief for his 29 INT season in 2005 that had less than 4,000 yards and only 20 TDs. Manning had a worse statistical year than Winston’s early in his career too and he wasn’t knocked as hard as Winston was. I also think Brees got recognition because the first year he came here he led us to our first NFC championship appearance. And while You are correct that If you take out Winston’s two best games (out of only 6 1/2) he didn’t have great numbers, but he also wasn’t the TO machine he had the label of being. It’s not like any of his replacements did any better. Plus let’s take a look at Drew’s first year here. If we pull out his two best games (Dallas and Tampa) he had 18 TDs in 14 games. That’s just over 1/game. Very similar to Jameis. Plus he had 11 INTs in those 14 games. That’s worse than Winston’s 2 INT in 4 1/2 games (He threw one against the Redskins game we are throwing out). Just food for thought. I also think Colston, Horn, and Henderson were better than what Winston had to work with last year. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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