The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him.

Suspect only reason why Taysom is still listed as a QB is so we'll have four QBs for training camp; DA made it clear Taysom will be a TE-H (Upback) as well as other roles...

But this is Winston's third season here so I can't accept the non-familiarity argument; plus he did run with the ones last season, with the more favorable matchups...

The Dude · 05-25-2022, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article...

Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play...

Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section...

Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business...

So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni...

No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels...

Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast...

Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive...

There was also another very big difference. At the time we had never really been relevant. Not consistently anyway and we definitely had never experienced a winning culture. Most of us would have been thrilled to make the playoffs a couple of years in a row. Expectations are way higher now. If Brees wouldn’t have worked out then it would have been par for the course at that point in time. Sub.500 seasons are unacceptable now, even if we see future potential.

darksoul35 · 05-26-2022, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom
that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me.

I agree 100 percent. Let Pete be just as aggressive on offense as we are on defense. We will be tough to handle. I think we will surprise some people this year.

SaintGnome · 05-26-2022, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I agree 100 percent. Let Pete be just as aggressive on offense as we are on defense. We will be tough to handle. I think we will surprise some people this year.

I know a lot of people want to take the training wheels off on Winston, and I don't disagree but IMO we should go slow(ish). I get a lot of people want to see bombs away on offense and I won't lie - I want that as well. That being said, with a world class D (which it seems like it will be) why push the bombs if you don't have to? I think we should gradually bring Winston along, build his confidence, work on his timing with his receivers, and expand when needed or comfortable. Eventually it will come. Check downs are not a crime unless that's all you are doing (especially if you are hitting an open AK in space). My $0.02.

halloween 65 · 05-27-2022, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice.

TE is a need as well as rb to me, hopefully someone steps up. But yeah,it would be nice if he's better than Pitts.

Rugby Saint II · 05-29-2022, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

TE is a need as well as rb to me, hopefully someone steps up. But yeah,it would be nice if he's better than Pitts.

We desperately need to get a check down tight end....and a running back to carry the football while AK is suspended. We've done a lot this off season. There's just a little more talent TE and RB needed to go deep in the playoffs.

AsylumGuido · 05-29-2022, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We desperately need to get a check down tight end....and a running back to carry the football while AK is suspended. We've done a lot this off season. There's just a little more talent TE and RB needed to go deep in the playoffs.

Keep in mind, even IF Kamara gets a suspension it may not be until the 2023 season. They are still in the investigatory stages. The next update hearing isn't until August.

AsylumGuido · 05-30-2022, 12:04 PM

Chris Simms reinforces the fact that he is a moron.

05-25-2022, 03:14 PM	#41
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him. Suspect only reason why Taysom is still listed as a QB is so we'll have four QBs for training camp; DA made it clear Taysom will be a TE-H (Upback) as well as other roles... But this is Winston's third season here so I can't accept the non-familiarity argument; plus he did run with the ones last season, with the more favorable matchups... Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by jeanpierre The idea that someone would attempt to draw parallels between Drew Brees and Jameis Winston is illogical, then again not surprised as who wrote this article... Remember some fans noting the risk, many ignorant of Bree's injury, but the consensus was they'd had enough of Aaron Brooks inconsistent, mediocre-record play... Personally liked Brooks, especially after I saw a side of him at the Metairie Best Buy where he innocently played pick-a-boo with my baby girl in the DVD section... Brooks lost me when both he and Haslett turned on Kyle Turley in the media for KT having his QB's back, letting the Jets know they couldn't give his QB the business... So Brees was a welcomed change and he certainly didn't have Jameis background of suspect behavior, including rape allegations buried by FSU and the alumni... No matter, Winston's apologists will continue the effort to insulate Winston from criticism; no matter, these were very different situations with little to no parallels... Brees often played with receivers that would struggle to make other rosters, and yet he produced at an elite level; Winston apparently needs a better supporting cast... Let's see Winston play under the same scrutiny as other NFL QBs and let him earn the appropriate praise and/or criticism that his play will deserve to receive... There was also another very big difference. At the time we had never really been relevant. Not consistently anyway and we definitely had never experienced a winning culture. Most of us would have been thrilled to make the playoffs a couple of years in a row. Expectations are way higher now. If Brees wouldn’t have worked out then it would have been par for the course at that point in time. Sub.500 seasons are unacceptable now, even if we see future potential. iceshack149, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.
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darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,026	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by halloween 65 That's the question " The Playbook". How much will PC calls or DA of the O ? Myself , I definitely let PC call. If Allen calls the O-plays it's going to be limited. Allen didn't fair well in his last HC job. All the talent in the word want mean a thing if managed wrong. Got to see how he does with the keys of the kingdom that was aired to him. Running in the middle of the pack want cut it to me. I agree 100 percent. Let Pete be just as aggressive on offense as we are on defense. We will be tough to handle. I think we will surprise some people this year.
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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by darksoul35 I agree 100 percent. Let Pete be just as aggressive on offense as we are on defense. We will be tough to handle. I think we will surprise some people this year. I know a lot of people want to take the training wheels off on Winston, and I don't disagree but IMO we should go slow(ish). I get a lot of people want to see bombs away on offense and I won't lie - I want that as well. That being said, with a world class D (which it seems like it will be) why push the bombs if you don't have to? I think we should gradually bring Winston along, build his confidence, work on his timing with his receivers, and expand when needed or comfortable. Eventually it will come. Check downs are not a crime unless that's all you are doing (especially if you are hitting an open AK in space). My $0.02. darksoul35 and Boston Saint like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by halloween 65 TE is a need as well as rb to me, hopefully someone steps up. But yeah,it would be nice if he's better than Pitts. We desperately need to get a check down tight end....and a running back to carry the football while AK is suspended. We've done a lot this off season. There's just a little more talent TE and RB needed to go deep in the playoffs.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We desperately need to get a check down tight end....and a running back to carry the football while AK is suspended. We've done a lot this off season. There's just a little more talent TE and RB needed to go deep in the playoffs. Keep in mind, even IF Kamara gets a suspension it may not be until the 2023 season. They are still in the investigatory stages. The next update hearing isn't until August.

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