The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s):

While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final
straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though.

For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel...

As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results...

Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both...

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments.

Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later...

As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort...

One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM...

Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose...

That's not consistent winning football...

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams.

Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then...

Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on...

Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick...

Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters...

Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production...

The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them...

Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint You covered a couple different points here JP. Some I agree with some not. My take(s): While I appreciate his helping us in winning our first playoff game, I never could fully get behind Brooks. To me he never had his head/attitude in the game. His smiling on the sidelines after throwing an Int was the final straw for me. Nice story about him and your daughter. Though. For me, the smiling on the sideline while I can see how it upset some, for me, he was just trying to be positive and even keel... As I said he and Haslett lost me when they threw KT under the media bus; Can't speak to his drive and will to win other than the results... Yes, that was a genuine moment at Best Buy I appreciated for both... Originally Posted by Boston Saint You mention the scrutiny Brees played under; was your point that Winston has not had scrutiny? If so I disagree. I think he’s had more. Also not sure about your apologists insulating him comments. Really didn't mention any scrutiny Brees faced, just said that most fans were not aware of the seriousness of his injury at that time; most of that came out later... As I do read, share articles that I view in the Twittersphere, I've seen several apologists' takes and my impression is that there's a concerted effort... One of my factual, statistical criticisms replying to some articles is if you take away the Packers, Redskins games, Winston averaged one (1) PaTd/GM... Also mention Winston only had one game over 250PaYds and that really riles and ruffles feathers and Payton is blamed for not turning Winston loose... That's not consistent winning football... Originally Posted by Boston Saint It wasn’t until late in his career that Brees had subpar receivers. Thomas, Meacham, Henderson, Colston, Stills, Snead, Graham, Shockey, Cooks, Sanders (not to mention great receiving backs) all were quality players that could/did play for other teams. Brees had an effective rookie Marques Colston, an ineffective Joe Horn (cut after 2006), and Devery running deep while Brees could air it out then... Brees didn't have many of those mentioned receivers until you get to the SuperBowl year and after, and yet he put up 4400 to 5000 PaYds early on... Meachem was a bust for a first round pick; in fact he showed up his rookie year out of shape - a receiver; was an early and often critic of that draft pick... Snead and Lance Moore were both UDFAs that developed into effective underneath route runners and chains movers, but disappeared on other rosters... Shockey made some plays, he didn't have the impact in this explosive offense that was expected; his fan popularity was more noteworthy than production... The best receivers Brees had were Colston, Cooks, and Thomas - and that wasn't all at the same time; their play overlapped each just a few seasons between them... Brees only got recognition when he broke all time passing records and was infamously snubbed from an MVP in 2011 because Rodgers had a higher QBR... jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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