Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury

Boston Saint · 06-28-2022, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

and the thing is, I'm pretty sure Ingram was open in the flat

Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make.

SaintGnome · 06-28-2022, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make.

Yeah, I feel you at the time I mentioned given that the horse collar is almost always causes injury the penalty should be greater at least an ejection, fine, and possibly suspension.

SmashMouth · 06-28-2022, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make.

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yeah, I feel you at the time I mentioned given that the horse collar is almost always causes injury the penalty should be greater at least an ejection, fine, and possibly suspension.

Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward.

Boston Saint · 06-28-2022, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward.

Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar…

https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/

I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things.

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2022, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar…

https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/

I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things.

It was definitely a horse collar tackle. That's why the league fined Devin White $15,450 after reviewing the play.

SmashMouth · 06-28-2022, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar…

https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/

I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It was definitely a horse collar tackle. That's why the league fined Devin White $15,450 after reviewing the play.

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They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself.

K Major · 06-28-2022, 04:03 PM

All I know is that Devin White plays undisciplined and reckless (he launches with the crown & tackles after the whistle) football.

Kamara, Ingram, and Taysom would agree with me.

Especially against the Saints. Borderline dirty.

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2022, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/MhxwOIZVdRo

https://youtu.be/JgFP89ah0SE

They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself.

The rule was changed in 2016, I believe, to include the back of the jersey anywhere from the nameplate and up. Even if the player somehow senses a player behind them, they cannot know that player is going to make an illegal tackle that stops the upper body while allowing the legs to advance past the point of balance. Are you suggesting that anytime a player senses an opponent behind them that they immediately give up and go into a slide or such?

Perhaps I'm just not understanding.

Boston Saint · 06-28-2022, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/MhxwOIZVdRo

https://youtu.be/JgFP89ah0SE

They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself.

Kamara has some of that ability IMO. Only goes so far unfortunately.

AsylumGuido · 06-28-2022, 05:11 PM

06-28-2022, 01:47 PM	#21
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by SaintGnome and the thing is, I'm pretty sure Ingram was open in the flat Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make. SmashMouth likes this.

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make. Yeah, I feel you at the time I mentioned given that the horse collar is almost always causes injury the penalty should be greater at least an ejection, fine, and possibly suspension. SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

06-28-2022, 02:05 PM	#23
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,979 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make. Originally Posted by SaintGnome Yeah, I feel you at the time I mentioned given that the horse collar is almost always causes injury the penalty should be greater at least an ejection, fine, and possibly suspension. Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward.

06-28-2022, 02:34 PM	#24
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward. Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar… https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/ I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar… https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/ I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things. It was definitely a horse collar tackle. That's why the league fined Devin White $15,450 after reviewing the play. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,030 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury All I know is that Devin White plays undisciplined and reckless (he launches with the crown & tackles after the whistle) football. Kamara, Ingram, and Taysom would agree with me. Especially against the Saints. Borderline dirty. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/MhxwOIZVdRo https://youtu.be/JgFP89ah0SE They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself. The rule was changed in 2016, I believe, to include the back of the jersey anywhere from the nameplate and up. Even if the player somehow senses a player behind them, they cannot know that player is going to make an illegal tackle that stops the upper body while allowing the legs to advance past the point of balance. Are you suggesting that anytime a player senses an opponent behind them that they immediately give up and go into a slide or such? Perhaps I'm just not understanding.

06-28-2022, 04:12 PM	#29
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/MhxwOIZVdRo https://youtu.be/JgFP89ah0SE They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself. Kamara has some of that ability IMO. Only goes so far unfortunately. SmashMouth likes this.

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