Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints

neugey · 08-08-2022, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

What about compensatory picks? Those are at best a 3rd rounder.

Just throwing that out there. In this case, the Dolphins didn't actually sign either Payton or Brady, so it's not like a team actually lost someone. Unless you can prove the tampering caused Payton to resign, and that would be difficult if not impossible.

That's an even better idea. Take away the picks as described by the Dolphins and add compensatory (end of 3rd round) picks for the Saints and Pats. IMO if the league office is to be taken seriously about tampering, not only do they need to punish a team caught in serious violation, but they also need to compensate the team(s) victimized by the tampering. Since the player/coach were not actually poached (although it was attempted), a compensatory pick for each team seems fair. Maybe multiple compensatory picks for the Pats if it's been proven they were tampered with on more than one separate occasion.

lee909 · 08-07-2022, 07:47 PM

There was never going to be a bidding war imho
Payton held the cards on that, he will want the teams he wants and if the Saints want picks they will have to work with him. And i think the expectation of multiple 1sts was always a stretch

Though i do think he was shady as **** with the team talking behind their backs, and dont believe any it was his agent,they approached him etc. He was interested in ditching the team to go to Miami with Brady. For Miami it still might be worth doing the deal. They have a great roster already and if they can get Brady in FA next year, they still have a 1st to play with and not getting Brady/Payton and losing picks is probably worse than doubling down and ending up with nothing.

If Tua excels then i can see them changing the gameplan, is he doesnt i think the interest will still be there. Same with the Cowboys, if they start badly or have a bad stretch i can see them moving quickly.

I think if a deal gets done its more a 1+ 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise he will just sit out a extra year

lee909 · 08-07-2022, 07:53 PM

Haslam comments are pretty disgusting on that statement

Talking about his remorse(he has shown none, other than paying people off) and then Haslam starting talking about triggering people. Slimeballs the lot of them, was disgusted the Saints even got involved in it all.

TheOak · 08-08-2022, 07:35 AM

If you think the Dolphins throwing an offer at Sean Payton had anything to do with him leaving you have to believe that Sean has not had a/multiple offers thrown at him in the last 13 years which I am willing to speculate is easily in excess of 15-20. F**k, Jerry Jones along probably throws an offer at him every single off season.

If Sean Payton decided to coach again it wouldn't be a bidding war. As per his own comment, it would have to be the "right fit".. meaning he isn't on an auction block. In case you didn't read into that "right fit" comment of his, it isn't New Orleans or he would be here and people focus on a "right fit" after leaving because of a bad fit.

One thing that people who spend their entire lives in Louisiana don't recognize that those that move there do.. That place can burn you the f*** out.... Like being Guido's Siamese twin.

keithday123 · 08-08-2022, 10:15 AM

I’m here in Dallas and make no mistake about it short of going to a Super Bowl this is it for McCarthy. Everything is lining up for Peyton to be here next year. He gets his year off, McCarthy gets one more year of underachieving football and Jerry gets what he has coveted since he took that whoopin in Dallas back in ‘06. Give Mickey what he wants and you can have Sean. If there is ever a place where overrated under achieving coaches need to go it’s Dallas.

Rugby Saint II · 08-08-2022, 10:38 AM

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

Boston Saint · 08-08-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up
in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

TheOak · 08-08-2022, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up
in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise.

Boston Saint · 08-08-2022, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise.

Maybe not. Be he still had a high performing Brees/offense when those issues happened and he was still fairly young. I’m just saying it’s certainly possible that this tampering helped him decide to retire….even in a small amount. Why would there be a penalty for doing it if it weren’t possible?

stickman · 08-08-2022, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching.

Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible.

08-08-2022, 12:49 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,834 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by stickman What about compensatory picks? Those are at best a 3rd rounder. Just throwing that out there. In this case, the Dolphins didn't actually sign either Payton or Brady, so it's not like a team actually lost someone. Unless you can prove the tampering caused Payton to resign, and that would be difficult if not impossible. That's an even better idea. Take away the picks as described by the Dolphins and add compensatory (end of 3rd round) picks for the Saints and Pats. IMO if the league office is to be taken seriously about tampering, not only do they need to punish a team caught in serious violation, but they also need to compensate the team(s) victimized by the tampering. Since the player/coach were not actually poached (although it was attempted), a compensatory pick for each team seems fair. Maybe multiple compensatory picks for the Pats if it's been proven they were tampered with on more than one separate occasion. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-07-2022, 07:47 PM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints There was never going to be a bidding war imho Payton held the cards on that, he will want the teams he wants and if the Saints want picks they will have to work with him. And i think the expectation of multiple 1sts was always a stretch Though i do think he was shady as **** with the team talking behind their backs, and dont believe any it was his agent,they approached him etc. He was interested in ditching the team to go to Miami with Brady. For Miami it still might be worth doing the deal. They have a great roster already and if they can get Brady in FA next year, they still have a 1st to play with and not getting Brady/Payton and losing picks is probably worse than doubling down and ending up with nothing. If Tua excels then i can see them changing the gameplan, is he doesnt i think the interest will still be there. Same with the Cowboys, if they start badly or have a bad stretch i can see them moving quickly. I think if a deal gets done its more a 1+ 2nd or 3rd. Otherwise he will just sit out a extra year
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08-07-2022, 07:53 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Haslam comments are pretty disgusting on that statement Talking about his remorse(he has shown none, other than paying people off) and then Haslam starting talking about triggering people. Slimeballs the lot of them, was disgusted the Saints even got involved in it all. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-08-2022, 07:35 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints If you think the Dolphins throwing an offer at Sean Payton had anything to do with him leaving you have to believe that Sean has not had a/multiple offers thrown at him in the last 13 years which I am willing to speculate is easily in excess of 15-20. Fk, Jerry Jones along probably throws an offer at him every single off season. If Sean Payton decided to coach again it wouldn't be a bidding war. As per his own comment, it would have to be the "right fit".. meaning he isn't on an auction block. In case you didn't read into that "right fit" comment of his, it isn't New Orleans or he would be here and people focus on a "right fit" after leaving because of a bad fit. One thing that people who spend their entire lives in Louisiana don't recognize that those that move there do.. That place can burn you the f* out.... Like being Guido's Siamese twin. subguy, iceshack149, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.
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08-08-2022, 10:15 AM	#5
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 207	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints I’m here in Dallas and make no mistake about it short of going to a Super Bowl this is it for McCarthy. Everything is lining up for Peyton to be here next year. He gets his year off, McCarthy gets one more year of underachieving football and Jerry gets what he has coveted since he took that whoopin in Dallas back in ‘06. Give Mickey what he wants and you can have Sean. If there is ever a place where overrated under achieving coaches need to go it’s Dallas. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-08-2022, 10:38 AM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol jeanpierre and stickman like this.

08-08-2022, 11:54 AM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back. iceshack149, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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08-08-2022, 01:04 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back. After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-08-2022, 01:27 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by TheOak After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise. Maybe not. Be he still had a high performing Brees/offense when those issues happened and he was still fairly young. I’m just saying it’s certainly possible that this tampering helped him decide to retire….even in a small amount. Why would there be a penalty for doing it if it weren’t possible? Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-08-2022, 01:40 PM	#10
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,765	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching. Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible. Crusader, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.