Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs

Thirty3 · 09-19-2022, 05:19 PM

Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back.

Boston Saint · 09-19-2022, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back.

Agree with you if Winston is hurt Thirty.

jnormand · 09-19-2022, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back.

Same here. I've never thought he was that great but hoped he'd change my mind. I even ate some crow last week when he played lights out in the 4th. I thought maybe I was being too hard on him. Idk about that anymore.

Boston Saint · 09-19-2022, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Same here. I've never thought he was that great but hoped he'd change my mind. I even ate some crow last week when he played lights out in the 4th. I thought maybe I was being too hard on him. Idk about that anymore.

Fair enough. Just like everything else it’s a mix. Lots of QBs better than him like Fouts, Marino, and Moon never won it while guys worse than him like Dilfer, Flacco, and Foles did.

Boston Saint · 09-19-2022, 05:34 PM

So here are some interesting stats :

Matt Stafford and Andrew Dalton are both 34.

Stafford career TD/INT % are 4.7 and 2.4.

Dalton is 4.5 and 2.7.

Stafford career W-L is 87-96.
Dalton is 77-69.

Stafford averages 7.2 YPA with 272 YPG.
Dalton averages 7.0 with 233 YPG.

Career completion % Stafford 63.1.
Career completion % Dalton 62.2.

If Dalton plays I feel pretty good.

hitta · 09-19-2022, 09:28 PM

The Bills may go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. The team I'm watching looks ridiculous. Allen has surpassed Mahomes just as I expected. I think we need to go back to the drawing board. Experiment this season and get a QB in the draft. We can't beat them with the QBs on our roster.

BakoSaint · 09-19-2022, 10:32 PM

Lots of people are bagging on Winston for this loss but nobody is bagging on Mickey Loomis for trading our 1st round pick next year to Philly, who may win the Superbowl and get to draft top 5 while getting one of our best young defenders for a third day draft pick. Winston is one dude. Loomis assembled the entire 53 man roster that lost this game, while committing more 2023 cap dollars than any other team and robbing our 2023 draft to do it. He also hired the coaches who made this game plan. He also brought back Ingram. He paid Taysom Hill $10 million to run a few wildcat snaps between casts and concussions. He did less with more than any team in the league. Winston looked questionable, but people need to look a litte higher up the chain of command too. He tried damn hard to get us Watson for a record contract and all our draft picks forever. He ain’t a good GM. He got lucky once with Brees unlikely shoulder recovery and ever since then he is more like the CEO of Sears delaying our cap bankruptcy forever and not a good GM. Yes we probably need another QB. But to get a great one we probably need a stockpile of draft picks not a deficit, or lots of cap space not the least in the league. So, we need a new GM.

TheOak · 09-20-2022, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Lots of people are bagging on Winston for this loss but nobody is bagging on Mickey Loomis for trading our 1st round pick next year to Philly, who may win the Superbowl and get to draft top 5 while getting one of our best young defenders for a third day draft pick. Winston is one dude. Loomis assembled the entire 53 man roster that lost this game, while committing more 2023 cap dollars than any other team and robbing our 2023 draft to do it. He also hired the coaches who made this game plan. He also brought back Ingram. He paid Taysom Hill $10 million to run a few wildcat snaps between casts and concussions. He did less with more than any team in the league. Winston looked questionable, but people need to look a litte higher up the chain of command too. He tried damn hard to get us Watson for a record contract and all our draft picks forever. He ain’t a good GM. He got lucky once with Brees unlikely shoulder recovery and ever since then he is more like the CEO of Sears delaying our cap bankruptcy forever and not a good GM. Yes we probably need another QB. But to get a great one we probably need a stockpile of draft picks not a deficit, or lots of cap space not the least in the league. So, we need a new GM.

... well Gayle Benson employs Mickey Loomis, and Gayle is the fruit of Mr. Francis J. LaJaunie and Mrs. Marie LaJaunie who's union was made possible by God.

We need a new God.

leilung · 09-20-2022, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

... well Gayle Benson employs Mickey Loomis, and Gayle is the fruit of Mr. Francis J. LaJaunie and Mrs. Marie LaJaunie who's union was made possible by God.

We need a new God.

ROFL You CRAZY!!!

AsylumGuido · 09-20-2022, 11:02 AM

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09-19-2022, 05:19 PM	#1
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back. jnormand and leilung like this.
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09-19-2022, 05:20 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by Thirty3 Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back. Agree with you if Winston is hurt Thirty.

09-19-2022, 07:04 PM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by Thirty3 Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back. Same here. I've never thought he was that great but hoped he'd change my mind. I even ate some crow last week when he played lights out in the 4th. I thought maybe I was being too hard on him. Idk about that anymore.

09-19-2022, 07:31 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by jnormand Same here. I've never thought he was that great but hoped he'd change my mind. I even ate some crow last week when he played lights out in the 4th. I thought maybe I was being too hard on him. Idk about that anymore. Fair enough. Just like everything else it’s a mix. Lots of QBs better than him like Fouts, Marino, and Moon never won it while guys worse than him like Dilfer, Flacco, and Foles did.

09-19-2022, 05:34 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs So here are some interesting stats : Matt Stafford and Andrew Dalton are both 34. Stafford career TD/INT % are 4.7 and 2.4. Dalton is 4.5 and 2.7. Stafford career W-L is 87-96. Dalton is 77-69. Stafford averages 7.2 YPA with 272 YPG. Dalton averages 7.0 with 233 YPG. Career completion % Stafford 63.1. Career completion % Dalton 62.2. If Dalton plays I feel pretty good.

09-19-2022, 09:28 PM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs The Bills may go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. The team I'm watching looks ridiculous. Allen has surpassed Mahomes just as I expected. I think we need to go back to the drawing board. Experiment this season and get a QB in the draft. We can't beat them with the QBs on our roster.
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09-19-2022, 10:32 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Lots of people are bagging on Winston for this loss but nobody is bagging on Mickey Loomis for trading our 1st round pick next year to Philly, who may win the Superbowl and get to draft top 5 while getting one of our best young defenders for a third day draft pick. Winston is one dude. Loomis assembled the entire 53 man roster that lost this game, while committing more 2023 cap dollars than any other team and robbing our 2023 draft to do it. He also hired the coaches who made this game plan. He also brought back Ingram. He paid Taysom Hill $10 million to run a few wildcat snaps between casts and concussions. He did less with more than any team in the league. Winston looked questionable, but people need to look a litte higher up the chain of command too. He tried damn hard to get us Watson for a record contract and all our draft picks forever. He ain’t a good GM. He got lucky once with Brees unlikely shoulder recovery and ever since then he is more like the CEO of Sears delaying our cap bankruptcy forever and not a good GM. Yes we probably need another QB. But to get a great one we probably need a stockpile of draft picks not a deficit, or lots of cap space not the least in the league. So, we need a new GM.
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09-20-2022, 06:20 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bucs Originally Posted by BakoSaint Lots of people are bagging on Winston for this loss but nobody is bagging on Mickey Loomis for trading our 1st round pick next year to Philly, who may win the Superbowl and get to draft top 5 while getting one of our best young defenders for a third day draft pick. Winston is one dude. Loomis assembled the entire 53 man roster that lost this game, while committing more 2023 cap dollars than any other team and robbing our 2023 draft to do it. He also hired the coaches who made this game plan. He also brought back Ingram. He paid Taysom Hill $10 million to run a few wildcat snaps between casts and concussions. He did less with more than any team in the league. Winston looked questionable, but people need to look a litte higher up the chain of command too. He tried damn hard to get us Watson for a record contract and all our draft picks forever. He ain’t a good GM. He got lucky once with Brees unlikely shoulder recovery and ever since then he is more like the CEO of Sears delaying our cap bankruptcy forever and not a good GM. Yes we probably need another QB. But to get a great one we probably need a stockpile of draft picks not a deficit, or lots of cap space not the least in the league. So, we need a new GM. ... well Gayle Benson employs Mickey Loomis, and Gayle is the fruit of Mr. Francis J. LaJaunie and Mrs. Marie LaJaunie who's union was made possible by God. We need a new God.

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