Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees?

Rugby Saint II · 10-03-2022, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You sound like me. Someone who fully expected us to be 3-1, possibly undefeated, instead of 1-3 and now looking at every single play with frustration.

All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years.

saintsfan1976 · 10-03-2022, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years.

It's true. Refs CAN and more often times DO impact games in a negative way.

I'm having a hard time avoiding cynicism but in this particular season we are playing like straight up garbage. Like I said, I want to see the team perform like they should before I focus on Refs.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2022, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I can’t understand why people won’t accept this. Would we be undefeated if we had 0’turnovers? Yes. Would we be undefeated if we were more disciplined? Without a doubt. Would we be undefeated with better line, QB, and special teams play? Absolutely. Would we be undefeated if the refs didn’t screw us?

Hell friggin YES!

Add "would be be undefeated without all the injuries" to your list.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2022, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years.

I watch about six games a week and the reffing is bad in most of them. It seems like there are always three or four a game where the broadcast officiating expert disagrees with the call.

That said, the Saints have the second most penalties (34) called against them in the first four games. They lead the league in defensive holding calls (7) by a decent margin. As best as I can remember these have been pretty legit. Offensive holding hasn't been too bad with only three. We are at or near the top in false starts (6), offsides (2), and unnecessary roughness (4).

These are lack of discipline penalties that are killing us.

As for PI calls, we are right at the league average with one OPI and two DPI's.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The statistics are right: the Saints have finished 30th, 31st, 32nd, and tied for 31st in penalties called (both accepted and declined) against their opponents in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 20201. Four straight seasons.

We, as humans, tend to be divided into individuals who are submissive and accept abuse and individuals who are assertive and fight abuse. Enjoy your comfy chair. When the bad things happen to you, tell yourself you deserve them, and its all perspective. I will continue to feel we don't deserve these bad calls. You can side with the Falcons Fans that we do.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...eir-opponents/

I found something in my penalties research which needs pointed out.

2021 - 12th fewest enforced penalties
2020 - 23rd fewest
2019 - 27th fewest
2018 - 5th fewest

Makes one wonder about the accuracy of the claims in the article.

iceshack149 · 10-03-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years.

Me too, Rugby. Now I'm turning off the Saints games because I can't keep watching this garbage.

Boston Saint · 10-03-2022, 11:11 AM

I zoomed the Tampa game with my brother in Seattle and he summed it up
pretty well….

“It’s tough to devote 3 plus hours of your Sunday only to watch a game you know is going to be decided by the refs. I got better things to do.”.

dizzle88 · 10-03-2022, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I zoomed the Tampa game with my brother in Seattle and he summed it up
pretty well….

“It’s tough to devote 3 plus hours of your Sunday only to watch a game you know is going to be decided by the refs. I got better things to do.”.

That's what stopped me buying Gamepass the last 2 years.
I found myself, every Sunday night, with work the next day, in an annoyed mood because of something completely out of my control.

I got that invested in general fandom, that a Saints loss would basically ruin my whole week and if the refs were involved, I'd be miserable. I recognised that it wasn't fair to my wife and it wasn't making me happy, so I stopped buying Gamepass.

Now on Sundays, I keep an eye on NFL play by play but I do something I enjoy instead. Play video games, watch a movie, see family and friends.

Boston Saint · 10-03-2022, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

That's what stopped me buying Gamepass the last 2 years.
I found myself, every Sunday night, with work the next day, in an annoyed mood because of something completely out of my control.

I got that invested in general fandom, that a Saints loss would basically ruin my whole week and if the refs were involved, I'd be miserable. I recognised that it wasn't fair to my wife and it wasn't making me happy, so I stopped buying Gamepass.

Now on Sundays, I keep an eye on NFL play by play but I do something I enjoy instead. Play video games, watch a movie, see family and friends.

Yeah, that’s the rub.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2022, 11:35 AM

I really don't get how some "fans" get so stressed out over the games. I NEVER miss a game. I am what everyone who knows me knows and that is that I am the most dedicated Saints fan that they know. I can count on one hand the number of days in the past 25-30 years where I didn't wear some article of Saints apparel (I have about 20 Saints caps so it's pretty easy). I hate it when we lose, but I always enjoy being able to watch my team play ... win or lose. When we lose I never feel anger. Disappointment, yes, but never anger.

If someone let's a game anger them so badly that it affects their relationships then I suppose not watching and abandoning the game entirely is best. Sad, but I understand I suppose.

10-03-2022, 08:05 AM	#31
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You sound like me. Someone who fully expected us to be 3-1, possibly undefeated, instead of 1-3 and now looking at every single play with frustration. All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years. iceshack149 and Boston Saint like this.

10-03-2022, 08:07 AM	#32
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years. It's true. Refs CAN and more often times DO impact games in a negative way. I'm having a hard time avoiding cynicism but in this particular season we are playing like straight up garbage. Like I said, I want to see the team perform like they should before I focus on Refs. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

10-03-2022, 08:11 AM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I can’t understand why people won’t accept this. Would we be undefeated if we had 0’turnovers? Yes. Would we be undefeated if we were more disciplined? Without a doubt. Would we be undefeated with better line, QB, and special teams play? Absolutely. Would we be undefeated if the refs didn’t screw us? Hell friggin YES! Add "would be be undefeated without all the injuries" to your list.

10-03-2022, 08:41 AM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years. I watch about six games a week and the reffing is bad in most of them. It seems like there are always three or four a game where the broadcast officiating expert disagrees with the call. That said, the Saints have the second most penalties (34) called against them in the first four games. They lead the league in defensive holding calls (7) by a decent margin. As best as I can remember these have been pretty legit. Offensive holding hasn't been too bad with only three. We are at or near the top in false starts (6), offsides (2), and unnecessary roughness (4). These are lack of discipline penalties that are killing us. As for PI calls, we are right at the league average with one OPI and two DPI's. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-03-2022, 09:13 AM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by BakoSaint The statistics are right: the Saints have finished 30th, 31st, 32nd, and tied for 31st in penalties called (both accepted and declined) against their opponents in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 20201. Four straight seasons. We, as humans, tend to be divided into individuals who are submissive and accept abuse and individuals who are assertive and fight abuse. Enjoy your comfy chair. When the bad things happen to you, tell yourself you deserve them, and its all perspective. I will continue to feel we don't deserve these bad calls. You can side with the Falcons Fans that we do. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...eir-opponents/ I found something in my penalties research which needs pointed out. 2021 - 12th fewest enforced penalties 2020 - 23rd fewest 2019 - 27th fewest 2018 - 5th fewest Makes one wonder about the accuracy of the claims in the article. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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10-03-2022, 11:06 AM	#36
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,238 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II All I know is that we get a first down conversion or third down stop I hold my nrwath because I fullt expect to see a flag thrown by a bad ref. This game is just unwatchable now. I haven't seen a game besides the Saints in a couple of years. Me too, Rugby. Now I'm turning off the Saints games because I can't keep watching this garbage. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

10-03-2022, 11:11 AM	#37
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? I zoomed the Tampa game with my brother in Seattle and he summed it up pretty well…. “It’s tough to devote 3 plus hours of your Sunday only to watch a game you know is going to be decided by the refs. I got better things to do.”. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-03-2022, 11:20 AM	#38
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I zoomed the Tampa game with my brother in Seattle and he summed it up pretty well…. “It’s tough to devote 3 plus hours of your Sunday only to watch a game you know is going to be decided by the refs. I got better things to do.”. That's what stopped me buying Gamepass the last 2 years. I found myself, every Sunday night, with work the next day, in an annoyed mood because of something completely out of my control. I got that invested in general fandom, that a Saints loss would basically ruin my whole week and if the refs were involved, I'd be miserable. I recognised that it wasn't fair to my wife and it wasn't making me happy, so I stopped buying Gamepass. Now on Sundays, I keep an eye on NFL play by play but I do something I enjoy instead. Play video games, watch a movie, see family and friends. iceshack149, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.
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10-03-2022, 11:26 AM	#39
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? Originally Posted by dizzle88 That's what stopped me buying Gamepass the last 2 years. I found myself, every Sunday night, with work the next day, in an annoyed mood because of something completely out of my control. I got that invested in general fandom, that a Saints loss would basically ruin my whole week and if the refs were involved, I'd be miserable. I recognised that it wasn't fair to my wife and it wasn't making me happy, so I stopped buying Gamepass. Now on Sundays, I keep an eye on NFL play by play but I do something I enjoy instead. Play video games, watch a movie, see family and friends. Yeah, that’s the rub.

10-03-2022, 11:35 AM	#40
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: Could We Crowdfund Private Investigators Against Corrupt NFL Referees? I really don't get how some "fans" get so stressed out over the games. I NEVER miss a game. I am what everyone who knows me knows and that is that I am the most dedicated Saints fan that they know. I can count on one hand the number of days in the past 25-30 years where I didn't wear some article of Saints apparel (I have about 20 Saints caps so it's pretty easy). I hate it when we lose, but I always enjoy being able to watch my team play ... win or lose. When we lose I never feel anger. Disappointment, yes, but never anger. If someone let's a game anger them so badly that it affects their relationships then I suppose not watching and abandoning the game entirely is best. Sad, but I understand I suppose.
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