Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office?

Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him?

If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential.

I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football.

Its the scouts and front office's fault most of all if they make bad evaluations. Their job is to make good evaluations. All 32 teams have people with the job of making good evaluations. So the higher the pick the more valuable because you can take the player you evaluate most highly before others have a chance to take him. Draft position matters for the GM not so much the player, the GM has a responsibility to find stars at a good rate with high picks. To do that they need to consider talent, coachability, and motivation. If they find a motivated player whose talent is not enough to ever live up to the round they are drafted, its a miss. If they find a highly talented player you will cash the 1st round bonus check, by Nyquil, and never produce, its a miss. If they are finding 6th round talent in the 1st round, they can fly economy out of town and find a job selling cars. Ruiz might have been a fine 6th round pick. Mickey Loomis took him in the 1st round. That's on management. Its no surprise since he is about equally as good as Andrus Peat who we will pay $20 million a year forever to continually extend and restructure his contract while functioning as a Little Debbie powered human turnstyle.

Just make sure you don’t drink and derive!

As usual, I find myself agreeing with some of your post bako, but disagreeing with some as well.

Since Peate was brought up, let’s take a look at a few things. First of all your 20 million a year forever line is shows you aren’t looking at the situation rationally or with logic. Now I like to razz Andrus as much as the next guy and bring up his sammiches a lot. He may be overpaid, but not like you are saying. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are exaggerating for emphasis cause 20 mill a year ain’t even close according to spotrac.

So looking at where Peat was drafted (13th) there were three other tackles taken in the first round; Ereck Flowers at 9 (on his 5th team 0 pro bowls) Cedric Ogbuehi at 21 (on his sixth team 0 pro bowls) and DJ Humphries at 24 (still with Cardinals 1 pro bowl). Now I’m not fans of these other teams and haven’t watched these other guys play much, but an argument can be made Peat is the best of the 4. Without going through all the names (i’m not gonna waste time with that) Peat may be the best tackle taken in the entire draft. Now, we can go on about if a tackle was what the Saints needed or there were better picks at other positions, but you are going off on the pick when it might have netted the best player at the position in the entire draft. That seems a bit harsh.

According to NFLs website:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks/13/1/2015

Peat was the highest graded of the 4 players. So it’s not just the Saints that saw something in him.

I guess all I’m saying is I don’t think the Loomis shots you like to take are accurate. A lot of users are taking shots at players, coaches, and management right now…and that’s fine I suppose. Evaluation is warranted.

But just like Guido comes off on how the team will start a 17 game win streak with his posts of optimism, your posts come off on the opposite end of the spectrum with no more substance than his because of your negativity. But hey, at least you aren’t argumentative about it like he is.

Just my thoughts. Peace!

Not sure what is worse some times, my typing or my reading glasses prescription.

Its the scouts and front office's fault most of all if they make bad evaluations. Their job is to make good evaluations. All 32 teams have people with the job of making good evaluations. So the higher the pick the more valuable because you can take the player you evaluate most highly before others have a chance to take him. Draft position matters for the GM not so much the player, the GM has a responsibility to find stars at a good rate with high picks. To do that they need to consider talent, coachability, and motivation. If they find a motivated player whose talent is not enough to ever live up to the round they are drafted, its a miss. If they find a highly talented player you will cash the 1st round bonus check, by Nyquil, and never produce, its a miss. If they are finding 6th round talent in the 1st round, they can fly economy out of town and find a job selling cars. Ruiz might have been a fine 6th round pick. Mickey Loomis took him in the 1st round. That's on management. Its no surprise since he is about equally as good as Andrus Peat who we will pay $20 million a year forever to continually extend and restructure his contract while functioning as a Little Debbie powered human turnstyle.