Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers

TheOak · 09-27-2022, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

At least we'll have a high first round draft pick next year! Oh, that'll go to the only undefeated NFC team in the NFL so far...

Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back.

Boston Saint · 09-27-2022, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back.

I LOLed at that Oak!

AsylumGuido · 09-27-2022, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back.

You jest, but if there is someone that Loomis wants in the first he's very capable of making the moves to trade back in.

BakoSaint · 09-28-2022, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You jest, but if there is someone that Loomis wants in the first he's very capable of making the moves to trade back in.

Lets say there is a QB we like who is expected to go #1 overall. If we had the #1 overall pick we could just take him. If we had a top 5 pick we could trade up. What sort of package would you propose that Loomis offer for the #1 overall pick that doesnt include any current year 1st rounders? What is the precedent that such a trade would be accepted? What if we want a player who will go 5th or 10th in the 1st? How much will we have to give up with no 1st rounder at all to offer? Seems like the cost will be exorbitant? Trading future picks is like taking out a loan with high interest. Now you are talking about taking out one high interest loan to pay another.

shawnkytonk · 09-27-2022, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

At least we'll have a high first round draft pick next year! Oh, that'll go to the only undefeated NFC team in the NFL so far...

Well it was used to address a very important need in us getting a starting LT. I'm not ready to write off this season after 3 weeks, and we haven't seen him play in the regular season yet.

AsylumGuido · 09-27-2022, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

Well it was used to address a very important need in us getting a starting LT. I'm not ready to write off this season after 3 weeks, and we haven't seen him play in the regular season yet.

Me either, shawnky. Hopefully that 1st rounder the Eagles got will be quite a bit lower than they hope. And if what we are seeing out of Hurst is any indication, I can't wait to see Penning back on the field. At least it will give a more of a sense of aggressiveness than we've seen thus far.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2022, 01:24 PM

I don't know how much longer it can be called "Offensive Struggles" because it's not like they are "usually good" and had an off day. They are consistently awful, so it's just the same old offense.

Boston Saint · 09-27-2022, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I don't know how much longer it can be called "Offensive Struggles" because it's not like they are "usually good" and had an off day. They are consistently awful, so it's just the same old offense.

True dizz. But as this video points out, look at the first drive. We had a completion down to the 19 that was called back because of a bs penalty. That’s a successful drive to start the game. If they get even three points there the tone is different. Add that with a fumble 6 and two missed/ locked field goals and that’s a 16 point swing.

papz · 09-28-2022, 08:25 AM

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2022, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

That's exactly what people were saying ten years ago. Teams across the league are going to the same cap management strategy as the Saints. You borrow from Peter when the amount leveraged is a smaller percentage of the total cap to pay Paul and remain competitive. As long as the cap numbers keep skyrocketing it will remain a very sound strategy. And given the record revenues annually in the NFL there's little reason to believe the growth won't continue beyond the term of the newest CBA and broadcast contracts.

09-27-2022, 04:22 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by TheOak Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back. I LOLed at that Oak!

09-27-2022, 04:44 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by TheOak Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back. You jest, but if there is someone that Loomis wants in the first he's very capable of making the moves to trade back in.

09-28-2022, 01:13 AM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,389	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You jest, but if there is someone that Loomis wants in the first he's very capable of making the moves to trade back in. Lets say there is a QB we like who is expected to go #1 overall. If we had the #1 overall pick we could just take him. If we had a top 5 pick we could trade up. What sort of package would you propose that Loomis offer for the #1 overall pick that doesnt include any current year 1st rounders? What is the precedent that such a trade would be accepted? What if we want a player who will go 5th or 10th in the 1st? How much will we have to give up with no 1st rounder at all to offer? Seems like the cost will be exorbitant? Trading future picks is like taking out a loan with high interest. Now you are talking about taking out one high interest loan to pay another.
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09-27-2022, 02:12 PM	#5
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by iceshack149 At least we'll have a high first round draft pick next year! Oh, that'll go to the only undefeated NFC team in the NFL so far... Well it was used to address a very important need in us getting a starting LT. I'm not ready to write off this season after 3 weeks, and we haven't seen him play in the regular season yet. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-27-2022, 04:42 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by shawnkytonk Well it was used to address a very important need in us getting a starting LT. I'm not ready to write off this season after 3 weeks, and we haven't seen him play in the regular season yet. Me either, shawnky. Hopefully that 1st rounder the Eagles got will be quite a bit lower than they hope. And if what we are seeing out of Hurst is any indication, I can't wait to see Penning back on the field. At least it will give a more of a sense of aggressiveness than we've seen thus far.

09-27-2022, 01:49 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by iceshack149 At least we'll have a high first round draft pick next year! Oh, that'll go to the only undefeated NFC team in the NFL so far... Didn't you see Draft Day? We will get that back. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

09-27-2022, 01:24 PM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers I don't know how much longer it can be called "Offensive Struggles" because it's not like they are "usually good" and had an off day. They are consistently awful, so it's just the same old offense. leilung, Sinner and Boston Saint like this.

09-27-2022, 01:29 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by dizzle88 I don't know how much longer it can be called "Offensive Struggles" because it's not like they are "usually good" and had an off day. They are consistently awful, so it's just the same old offense. True dizz. But as this video points out, look at the first drive. We had a completion down to the 19 that was called back because of a bs penalty. That’s a successful drive to start the game. If they get even three points there the tone is different. Add that with a fumble 6 and two missed/ locked field goals and that’s a 16 point swing. leilung and dizzle88 like this.

09-28-2022, 08:25 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks.

09-28-2022, 08:35 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by papz Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When this finally catches up to us, it's going to hit like a ton of bricks. That's exactly what people were saying ten years ago. Teams across the league are going to the same cap management strategy as the Saints. You borrow from Peter when the amount leveraged is a smaller percentage of the total cap to pay Paul and remain competitive. As long as the cap numbers keep skyrocketing it will remain a very sound strategy. And given the record revenues annually in the NFL there's little reason to believe the growth won't continue beyond the term of the newest CBA and broadcast contracts.