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We are what our record says we are. And we have regressed as a team, despite good enough talent to win the first three games of the season. We lack discipline , imaginative play calling , and are turning the ball over... A recipe for a subpar year and performance.

So who's to blame? Well everybody, players and all, but ultimately it's the HC. Ceedy is dearly missed. His locker room chemistry is showing its price tag.

Buckle up, Who Dats! Our season is far from over , but our schedule is the most daunting in its history. We may be lucky to with the 9 games we won last year. :bng:

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THIS IS ON (MIS)-MANAGEMENT. THEY KNEW WHEN BREES WAS ON HIS WAY OUT. THEY KNEW SP WOULD FOLLOW. THEY DID NOT PREPARE. TOP-DOWN FAILURE. THAT'S ALL.

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Offensive line is lousy, Pete C is timid, Dennis Allen seems to be way over his head at HC & JW isn’t the answer at QB.

Even the special teams group is under performing.

But when you TURN the ball 🏈 over, PENALTIES, throw pics etc you aren’t winning at this level of football.

I’d like to see what Dalton can do under center next week.

We need a spark offensively. Waking up in the 4th won’t work.

Now I’m starting to see why we went all in on Desean Watson this off season.

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Payton knew what he was doing when he quit.

Offensive line looked bad. Michael Thomas had 3 targets in the first half which is inexcusable. Jameis is still Jameis.

We just lost to the Carolina Panthers.

We suck.

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Every time the hook almost comes for no.2 he then throws a completion followed by 3 inaccurate passes.

Yes, he's hurt
Yes, he's on borrowed time

Drew spoiled us with his 3rd down efficiency and accuracy.

#13 and #5 banged up?
Now That... Is concerning.

No need to even think about kicking onside kicks anytime soon... Lutz gets 0 early hop.

That locker room has to be pretty much deflated after these last few Qtrs.


Hopefully the Packers puts one on TB

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Injured or not, I'm done seeing Winston starting.
He has no spot as a starter in this league, he cannot read defenses and make pre-snap adjustments.

His accuracy is questionable and his decision making is worse.

The Defenses telegraph what they are playing and he still makes mistakes.

He only looked reasonable in the 4th Quarter of Week 1 because it's the falcons, and thats what they do.

Time for Dalton to take over, which I didn't want to say, but Winston at this stage, is not getting us more than 4 or 5 wins this season and even then, it'd be the defense winning those games

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1. Pete Carmichael clearly can't run an offense by himself. He was only successful because Sean was there to hold his hand. The Saints need to think about his replacement for next year.
2. The offensive line needs to make adjustments.
3. Jameis Winston is not the answer at QB. He's talented but he's not championship caliber. He has the weapons, but he doesn't have the ability to make things happen like Drew did.

I watched the news the other day and heard one of the Saints coaches talk about, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. Well, there is nothing I saw today that gave me any kind of encouragement that the finish is going to be better than the start.

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We All have a 50% chance of being right lol

We're about to find out in short order where this is heading.

Someone needs to stop the bleeding..

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For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective.

I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line.

By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is.

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This is coaching! Winston has proven he can’t throw certain passes! We need some hold onto the ball drills! We need a bruiser at running back and correct the O-Line! If you can’t bang the ball, you can’t pass either! If this mess continues Allen will be gone by years end! Payton saw what was coming!

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I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭

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Rez I love you dude.... This never is about emotion. It should be about the best to do the job. I only want to win. Sometimes a spark is all we need, but we need to mix things up.

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Winston's a great media talker and makes you want to root for him but he's just not that guy.

Arm talent can't hide a lack of awareness or football smarts, he stares down receivers and then delivers inaccurate passes.

I genuinely think the only reason he's still in the league is because of his draft spot.

If a 6th round pick was doing this, they'd be gone

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Call me what you want..
I chose to have some hope after last year looking like he was on the right track.
Of course some choose to go off of what was shown and have a little faith man.

I also believed there was a Santa Claus early on like quite a few others also.

No problem being wrong if that's the case.

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In one word - Ineffective.

Basically everything the team is doing is ineffective. Top to bottom.

It’s not too late but we need a 180.

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I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

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I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold.

His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change.

I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

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This is 110% on Mickey Loomis. No QB can win with our lousy oline. We traded nexts years pick to stack our offense and this is our offense. Dalton who couldnt start on the Bears and lost when he filled it wont make it better. To win we need money and picks to rebuild the oline but Loomis wont keep picks and wont clean up the cap, he will just sign Peat and Ruiz to extensions that pass the buck down the road, make them Saints for life. Forget Winston. Forget Allen. Cleanup needs to start on the top.

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Sorry fam but Jameis Winston ain’t that dude.

We don’t have that type of Oline to give him 5 seconds to survey the field.

Atlanta, Tampa and Carolina ALL BLITZED simply because he does not diagnose what a “hot read” is.

His decisions have been poor & it’s not changing.

Brees truly spoiled us.

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The problem I'm seeing is Carmichael not going to the Winston pass often enough. Still way too much run, run, pass with the defense bringing the house on third down.

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Pete Carmichael hasn’t been good but he isn’t responsible for stopping the blitz. It’s up to the QB check out of the original play and the Oline to adjust accordingly.

Again, DECISION MAKING at QB is poor through 3 games.

Saints need a spark offensively.

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I guess a spark is hopeless when the ENTIRE o-line is terrible.

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Admirable of you Boston. He is not someone that can rally the team. He is not a leader. He lacks decision making skills. No one is saying he is the only problem. He is the field general, sorry to disagree with you.

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Your arrogance will cause you to always place blame anywhere but who you have championed for. You will never admit Jameis is not the answer and MT is a glass tiger. I am sure you read my post above and know I think Thomas has caught some passes, but he lacks a certain something.

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Many here have pointed out all the things that are not going well for the Saints. Oline, offensive play calling and Dennis Allen not up to task.

All valid points but we just don’t stand a chance with a QB with little to no pocket awareness and a reasonable Football IQ. He cannot read defenses and it seems like if his first read, be short or midrange, is not open all bets are off. Besides the block pass interception how many time did he throw straight into raised arms of the defenders. I can’t recall Winston throwing the ball away this year, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Allen needs to make the QB change this week with Winston behind center we might be early first round pick in the next draft.

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We don't have a first round pick in the next draft.

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Sad to say but I’m not excited to watch this team anymore.. just no fire. I will continue to watch but it is hard. And next week is a London game.. oh boy

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I have been pro Winston. I haven't necessarily become anti Winston.

Let's be real though.

He wasn't intended to shoulder this team and take over games like Rodgers or Brady.

When everything breaks down around him he will panic, he will make mistakes and we will go deeper into the hole.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know why these breakdowns continue to happen across the board but I can tell you we are probably one more bad loss away from season ending expectations.

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First off, I want to say I love our defense. Those boys played lights out for us today. Secondly, I have never been a Winston fan and never will be one. He is who he is, a turnover machine and he will never be better. You can blame the o-line, WR, play calling, whatever, but everything starts with the QB. Injury or not the QB play helps everything. Quick decision making helps with the o-line and WR play. KAMARA is the best threat we have as a receiving threat and the ball wont be checked down. Ppl want to blame play calling, but there was a reason Winston had a good year last year before he got hurt. SP held him back and ppl wanted him to air it out. Air it out for Winston means interceptions. With our D, we will be in every game. We need someone who can manage the game. Winston can't do it. There was a reason why DA went for the rapist and Wilson before the start of the season. Without a first round pick in 2023, we are in some trouble boys. Hopefully our D plays lights out for the rest of the season, because that's the only chance we will win.

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There are a lot of problems offensively, not just Winston however he's a big part. Your defense can only do so much in 4 quarters of a game.

The Saints will continue to struggle until JW is able to fully diagnose & read pre snap coverages. There is a reason why opposing defenses continue to blitz us on 3rd downs.

Anyone who doesn't see that, need to go back and re-evaluate the last 3 games. Winston has performed poorly.

Dennis, Pete, and Dougie M have a lot of work to do offensively.

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:stupid:

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If SP decides he wants to come back next year after his year off, do you take him back? He is still under contract after all...

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No. We need to close that chapter and hopefully we can get a kings ransom for him. He is part of the reason why we’re in this current predicament. He made some bad personnel decisions and quit on us.

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Taysom wasn't this bad. At least he is fun to watch. 7-2 as the starter.

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Yet … Never say never with Loomis.

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Did anyone see the pregame where they picked on Brady for his tantrums and showed him getting in his offense's face yelling?

Apparently Allen yells at practice but is silent during games and I have yet to see Winston get on anything but a tablet for poor performance.

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Taysom wasn’t this bad. He was worse. With the Oline play and pressure Winston has dealt with Hill would struggle worse. Certainly wouldn’t have won either of those last two games.

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With the lone exception of Matthieu. At least today he didn't get trucked, instead he was completely invisible... literally... Shenault went through him like he wasn't there.

Rest of defense is playing lights out.

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I’d like to see a few more sacks.

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IDK, maybe the Chiefs realized he is becoming a declining player?

It appears the Saints are using him like a FS instead of in the box where he excels. Justin Evans should be our full time Free Safety.