Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

dizzle88 · 10-02-2022, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

JW might be done as a starter. AD managed the game without 3 key players and almost pulled out a win vs what could quite possibly be a Super Bowl team. He was far from great but was better than JW has been all season

The difference I saw from Dalton, was he looked like he actually knew the offense.

I saw him multiple times go through progressions and knew exactly where his outlet receiver was.

He wasn't perfect, but he managed the game, Winston would have thrown at least 2 or 3 picks.

saintsfan1976 · 10-02-2022, 05:37 PM

New week. Same disappointing results. Untimely penalties. Careless turnovers. Missed opportunities all over the field.

I get there have been injuries but man... we are a bad football team right now.

Rsanders24 · 10-02-2022, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I need blood pressure medicine

The defense kept the team in the game, AGAIN

Olave continues to impress and improve

I'd like to see Olave and Hardy on the field at the same time. Who could cover both of them streaking down the field?

The offensive line had fewer plays where it looked like they were lost

Dalton had about three passes that could have been pick 6

Good job by Tre, Quez, and Traut today

Finally getting some pressure on the QB by the defensive line

Three inches from OT

This is spot on…even though Traut is a huge liability in the blocking scheme.

While Dalton played well enough to win, he like Winston is a gun slinger and made several questionable throws that just happened to not be intercepted.

Watching a few other games today really made me see how poor our game planning is on offense. This team even without AK and MT should be able to make plays and we really failed again to do so.

K Major · 10-02-2022, 06:29 PM

Saints are a very bad team ATM.

It will be hard to get 7,8 wins this season.

No discipline.

jnormand · 10-02-2022, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints are a very bad team ATM.

It will be hard to get 7,8 wins this season.

No discipline.

They have a shot because the defense can be really good sometimes. But Dalton needs to stay the starter. JW is not the guy. And keep Murray in! The guy still can punish defenses!

saintsfan1976 · 10-02-2022, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

They have a shot because the defense can be really good sometimes. But Dalton needs to stay the starter. JW is not the guy. And keep Murray in! The guy still can punish defenses!

1-3 before we've even faced the tough stretch. A lot has to change. And quickly.

Rell&Gold · 10-02-2022, 10:56 PM

Ever since they got their big contracts guys have not shown up...blah blah. Guys don't choose to be injured it's apart of the game. 4 games into the season not where we would like but it is what it is. Marcus Williams and Von Bell should still be Saints hate seeing them make plays for other teams. 12 more games to go alot more football to be played before its all said and done. A lot of positives to take from the game. Just have to keep getting better.

TheOak · 10-03-2022, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

We can play poorly/suck and it still be the refs. Part of those 10 penalties were undeserved. Part of those 10 penalties should also go to the Vikings and they aren’t. Someone pointed out that the vikings weren’t called for a single holding penalty of offense or defense. Really? Give me a break. That doesn’t happen in a football game. The offense and special teams have played like crap at times no doubt. Bad turnovers absolutely. But to say the refs aren’t part of it is BS.

Blame the Refs all you like, I believe in liberty.

We are not 1-3 due to penalties, and I never said the Refs were not bad..

Top 25% of the NFL in Penalties We are the only losing team because we are bad, we have no discipline.
Denver (2-2) 37
New Orleans (1-3) 34
Seattle (2-2) 32
NYGiants (3-1) 32
Arrizona (2-2) 30
Tennessee (2-2) 29
Dallas (3-1) 27
Cleveland (2-2) 26
Philadelphia (4-0) 26

Are we a league worst -7 in turnover ratio because of the refs? Please answer specifically because we have played 4 games and have 11 turnovers. Just so happens we are the only team with double digit turnovers..

BTW The Vikings are tied for the second lowest penalties in the league with 16 Total. We had ZERO penalties on Defense against Carolina last week. No one claimed BS. The Saints did not have a single offensive holding penalty against Atlanta or Tampa Bay. No one claimed BS. You are correct that holding goes on every play but we have been the beneficiary of no calls and still lost.

Careful with the 'we are losing because of the Refs'... All four of these entire officiating crews are in on the conspiracy?
Alex Kemp
Shawn Hachuli
Carl Cheffers
Clete Blakeman

TheOak · 10-03-2022, 06:22 AM

Lattimer holding his ass off

https://twitter.com/joehornsphone/st...nvnJ8LBfTtYj3g

Boston Saint · 10-03-2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Blame the Refs all you like, I believe in liberty.

We are not 1-3 due to penalties, and I never said the Refs were not bad..

Top 25% of the NFL in Penalties We are the only losing team because we are bad, we have no discipline.
Denver (2-2) 37
New Orleans (1-3) 34
Seattle (2-2) 32
NYGiants (3-1) 32
Arrizona (2-2) 30
Tennessee (2-2) 29
Dallas (3-1) 27
Cleveland (2-2) 26
Philadelphia (4-0) 26

Are we a league worst -7 in turnover ratio because of the refs? Please answer specifically because we have played 4 games and have 11 turnovers. Just so happens we are the only team with double digit turnovers..

BTW The Vikings are tied for the second lowest penalties in the league with 16 Total. We had ZERO penalties on Defense against Carolina last week. No one claimed BS. The Saints did not have a single offensive holding penalty against Atlanta or Tampa Bay. No one claimed BS. You are correct that holding goes on every play but we have been the beneficiary of no calls and still lost.

Careful with the 'we are losing because of the Refs'... All four of these entire officiating crews are in on the conspiracy?
Alex Kemp
Shawn Hachuli
Carl Cheffers
Clete Blakeman

I have conceded multiple times in this and other threads that bad play in many forms from the team is PART of the problem. Sure -7 TO is part of the problem

I’m saying refs are ALSO part of the problem. Are you trying to say bad ref calls DON’T impact the game ? Can’t understand the attitude of letting them off the hook when they screw up with the “oh well, it’s not why we lost” attitude. In the aggregate it IS part of why we lost.

10-02-2022, 04:47 PM	#21
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by voodooido JW might be done as a starter. AD managed the game without 3 key players and almost pulled out a win vs what could quite possibly be a Super Bowl team. He was far from great but was better than JW has been all season The difference I saw from Dalton, was he looked like he actually knew the offense. I saw him multiple times go through progressions and knew exactly where his outlet receiver was. He wasn't perfect, but he managed the game, Winston would have thrown at least 2 or 3 picks. jnormand, papz, leilung and 5 others like this.

10-02-2022, 05:37 PM	#22
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings New week. Same disappointing results. Untimely penalties. Careless turnovers. Missed opportunities all over the field. I get there have been injuries but man... we are a bad football team right now. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

10-02-2022, 05:58 PM	#23
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by turbo_dog I need blood pressure medicine The defense kept the team in the game, AGAIN Olave continues to impress and improve I'd like to see Olave and Hardy on the field at the same time. Who could cover both of them streaking down the field? The offensive line had fewer plays where it looked like they were lost Dalton had about three passes that could have been pick 6 Good job by Tre, Quez, and Traut today Finally getting some pressure on the QB by the defensive line Three inches from OT This is spot on…even though Traut is a huge liability in the blocking scheme. While Dalton played well enough to win, he like Winston is a gun slinger and made several questionable throws that just happened to not be intercepted. Watching a few other games today really made me see how poor our game planning is on offense. This team even without AK and MT should be able to make plays and we really failed again to do so. turbo_dog and K Major like this.

10-02-2022, 06:29 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Saints are a very bad team ATM. It will be hard to get 7,8 wins this season. No discipline. jnormand, neugey and Rsanders24 like this.

10-02-2022, 08:11 PM	#25
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by K Major Saints are a very bad team ATM. It will be hard to get 7,8 wins this season. No discipline. They have a shot because the defense can be really good sometimes. But Dalton needs to stay the starter. JW is not the guy. And keep Murray in! The guy still can punish defenses! Sinner likes this.

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10-02-2022, 08:15 PM	#26
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by jnormand They have a shot because the defense can be really good sometimes. But Dalton needs to stay the starter. JW is not the guy. And keep Murray in! The guy still can punish defenses! 1-3 before we've even faced the tough stretch. A lot has to change. And quickly. jnormand likes this.

10-02-2022, 10:56 PM	#27
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Ever since they got their big contracts guys have not shown up...blah blah. Guys don't choose to be injured it's apart of the game. 4 games into the season not where we would like but it is what it is. Marcus Williams and Von Bell should still be Saints hate seeing them make plays for other teams. 12 more games to go alot more football to be played before its all said and done. A lot of positives to take from the game. Just have to keep getting better. Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

10-03-2022, 06:20 AM	#28
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by Boston Saint We can play poorly/suck and it still be the refs. Part of those 10 penalties were undeserved. Part of those 10 penalties should also go to the Vikings and they aren’t. Someone pointed out that the vikings weren’t called for a single holding penalty of offense or defense. Really? Give me a break. That doesn’t happen in a football game. The offense and special teams have played like crap at times no doubt. Bad turnovers absolutely. But to say the refs aren’t part of it is BS. Blame the Refs all you like, I believe in liberty. We are not 1-3 due to penalties, and I never said the Refs were not bad.. Top 25% of the NFL in Penalties We are the only losing team because we are bad, we have no discipline. Denver (2-2) 37 New Orleans (1-3) 34 Seattle (2-2) 32 NYGiants (3-1) 32 Arrizona (2-2) 30 Tennessee (2-2) 29 Dallas (3-1) 27 Cleveland (2-2) 26 Philadelphia (4-0) 26 Are we a league worst -7 in turnover ratio because of the refs? Please answer specifically because we have played 4 games and have 11 turnovers. Just so happens we are the only team with double digit turnovers.. BTW The Vikings are tied for the second lowest penalties in the league with 16 Total. We had ZERO penalties on Defense against Carolina last week. No one claimed BS. The Saints did not have a single offensive holding penalty against Atlanta or Tampa Bay. No one claimed BS. You are correct that holding goes on every play but we have been the beneficiary of no calls and still lost. Careful with the 'we are losing because of the Refs'... All four of these entire officiating crews are in on the conspiracy? Alex Kemp Shawn Hachuli Carl Cheffers Clete Blakeman saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.
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10-03-2022, 06:22 AM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Lattimer holding his ass off https://twitter.com/joehornsphone/st...nvnJ8LBfTtYj3g

10-03-2022, 06:39 AM	#30
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by TheOak Blame the Refs all you like, I believe in liberty. We are not 1-3 due to penalties, and I never said the Refs were not bad.. Top 25% of the NFL in Penalties We are the only losing team because we are bad, we have no discipline. Denver (2-2) 37 New Orleans (1-3) 34 Seattle (2-2) 32 NYGiants (3-1) 32 Arrizona (2-2) 30 Tennessee (2-2) 29 Dallas (3-1) 27 Cleveland (2-2) 26 Philadelphia (4-0) 26 Are we a league worst -7 in turnover ratio because of the refs? Please answer specifically because we have played 4 games and have 11 turnovers. Just so happens we are the only team with double digit turnovers.. BTW The Vikings are tied for the second lowest penalties in the league with 16 Total. We had ZERO penalties on Defense against Carolina last week. No one claimed BS. The Saints did not have a single offensive holding penalty against Atlanta or Tampa Bay. No one claimed BS. You are correct that holding goes on every play but we have been the beneficiary of no calls and still lost. Careful with the 'we are losing because of the Refs'... All four of these entire officiating crews are in on the conspiracy? Alex Kemp Shawn Hachuli Carl Cheffers Clete Blakeman I have conceded multiple times in this and other threads that bad play in many forms from the team is PART of the problem. Sure -7 TO is part of the problem I’m saying refs are ALSO part of the problem. Are you trying to say bad ref calls DON’T impact the game ? Can’t understand the attitude of letting them off the hook when they screw up with the “oh well, it’s not why we lost” attitude. In the aggregate it IS part of why we lost. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.