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Old 10-09-2022, 09:27 PM   #1
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We collect older players with long injury histories and when they get more hurt we sign them to extensions and restructure their contracts to squeeze under the cap. We trade our draft picks or take chances on prospects with lots of injuries in college. We cant afford to splurge in free agency so we hunt the bargain bin for vets with injury and suspension baggage. The injuries arent a bug of the way loomis runs the team they are a feature. His early career as a top executive was shaped by the coups of McAllister and Brees both making unlikely recoveries. Ever since then we chase that luck and stack every risk and when some pay off they never all will and it just creates chaos on our roster.
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Old 10-09-2022, 09:41 PM   #2
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We collect older players with long injury histories and when they get more hurt we sign them to extensions and restructure their contracts to squeeze under the cap. We trade our draft picks or take chances on prospects with lots of injuries in college. We cant afford to splurge in free agency so we hunt the bargain bin for vets with injury and suspension baggage. The injuries arent a bug of the way loomis runs the team they are a feature. His early career as a top executive was shaped by the coups of McAllister and Brees both making unlikely recoveries. Ever since then we chase that luck and stack every risk and when some pay off they never all will and it just creates chaos on our roster.
If the RBs don’t fumble we are 4-1.
If the refs don’t screw us we are 4-1.

You complain when we trade up to get two young players. Yet You complain that we hang onto old guys. We get it, you don’t like Loomis.
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Old 10-09-2022, 10:44 PM   #3
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If the RBs don’t fumble we are 4-1.
If the refs don’t screw us we are 4-1.

You complain when we trade up to get two young players. Yet You complain that we hang onto old guys. We get it, you don’t like Loomis.
Trading up makes us older not younger. It doesn’t get us young players, we would still have got young players if we kept our picks and held our ground. Trading up gets us one young player instead of 2-3 young players. It makes us older.

Any team could be 4-1 with the right luck and bounces and treatment. But if you think this is a team that is going to go far in the playoffs you are insane.
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Trading up makes us older not younger. It doesn’t get us young players, we would still have got young players if we kept our picks and held our ground. Trading up gets us one young player instead of 2-3 young players. It makes us older.

Any team could be 4-1 with the right luck and bounces and treatment. But if you think this is a team that is going to go far in the playoffs you are insane.
I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though.
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I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though.
You should see the Seahawks forum. They are going on and on about how the refs screwed them and how injuries and turnovers are killing them. LOL!
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I doubt the team will go far in the playoffs because the refs aren’t gonna quit screwing us. I know it sure as hell isn’t Loomis’s fault though.
It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild.
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It’s both. Flawed roster and biased refs. When the refs are against you, you need to dominate to win. And in the playoffs, you better be good enough to dominate many lesser teams if you expect to beat the best. But our team this year plays close games at best because we have too many weaknesses, are too old, too injured, and lack depth, largely due to cap and draft problems brought about by Loomis. So we are bragging about the wins we eked out against mediocre teams, complaining about the others we might have eked out if we didnt have ref and injury problems we knew we would have, and missing the point that to go the distance we need to be a team capable of dominating and we clearly are not. Its time for a rebuild.
Loomis has put a talented team on the field this year that, even with injuries and bad calls, is one game out of first in the division and has been in every game. If the team was losing by two scores every week it would be a different matter. But they are not. Allen held them together to rebound from 17 down against atlanta. There’s (so far) no quit in this team and I promise you no team seeing the Saints on their schedule is looking forward to the game. I can remember times when that sure as hell wasn’t the case. Maybe you can’t.

Things like Kamara’s fumbles and Hurst ripping a guys helmet off are not under Loomis’s control. Hell, those plays are outside of Allen’s control. There’s an old adage that says a team is not as good as they look when they’re winning and they aren’t as bad as they look when they’re losing. After a shortened preseason played mostly without Kamara, Winston, Thomas it’s no surprise the Offense is struggling. But there’s articles about how half the league is struggling over the first quarter of the season. You think Tampa is where they want to be needing the refs to save their butts from another loss?

I guess Loomis must have stolen your high school sweetie or something for your attitude towards him. I know I’m not gonna change your mind. It’s just…interesting to see you throw out so much negativity without any reserve. Especially after a W.
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Loomis has put a talented team on the field this year that, even with injuries and bad calls, is one game out of first in the division and has been in every game. If the team was losing by two scores every week it would be a different matter. But they are not. Allen held them together to rebound from 17 down against atlanta. There’s (so far) no quit in this team and I promise you no team seeing the Saints on their schedule is looking forward to the game. I can remember times when that sure as hell wasn’t the case. Maybe you can’t.

Things like Kamara’s fumbles and Hurst ripping a guys helmet off are not under Loomis’s control. Hell, those plays are outside of Allen’s control. There’s an old adage that says a team is not as good as they look when they’re winning and they aren’t as bad as they look when they’re losing. After a shortened preseason played mostly without Kamara, Winston, Thomas it’s no surprise the Offense is struggling. But there’s articles about how half the league is struggling over the first quarter of the season. You think Tampa is where they want to be needing the refs to save their butts from another loss?

I guess Loomis must have stolen your high school sweetie or something for your attitude towards him. I know I’m not gonna change your mind. It’s just…interesting to see you throw out so much negativity without any reserve. Especially after a W.
I agree with you that the players are out of Dennis Allen's control, which is the same thing as saying Dennis Allen has lost control of his players.

I get that we are not getting dominated but we are not dominating anyone either. A team that cannot dominate Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota, or Seattle is not going to win a Super Bowl. So if we don't have what it takes to win it all, and we don't have the cap space or draft picks to get there next year, what we need to do is rebuild.

Loomis didn't steal my sweetie, he stole my Sundays, and is threatening to do so for the rest of the decade. We have journeyman QBs, one of the oldest rosters in the league, no first round pick to look forward to in April. Thats what that idiot stole. Terry Fontenot has made some bad moves in Atlanta like wasting the 4th overall pick on tight end, but at least he sees his team needs to rebuild and took the $ 40 million cap hit to clear dead space and make room for the future. Mickey Loomis is setting us up to get dominated by Atlanta for years because yeah we beat them by a hair now, but only after they kept their draft picks and cleared their dead cap that sets them up to beat us big in the future. When your rival is making hard choices and sacrificing the present to rebuild and your team is maxing out all cap space and draft assets to win now and damn the future and the two teams look to be on the same level, that is a bad sign for the future. I fear Fontenot may have been the only voice of reason in the room and ever since he left what good personnel moves have we made with the lunatics running the asylum? Trading our 1st? Max deal for Taysom Hill after concussion and foot injury so we can get the occasional highlight reel game against a gutter defense? Going into 2020 with no receivers? Trading CDG for nothing? Ignoring Marcus Mayes dual threat injury history and discipline issues?
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I'm just glad we beat the Seahawks. I had a bet with a Seahawks friend. The loser has to rock a lip curtain for a month. Had the Saints lost I would've had to go with the mutton chops. Since the lowly Seahawks lost, he's going to go with the "imperial" 'stache.
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