Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good”

AsylumGuido · 06-15-2021, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Again , you come at me personably for what I think, it’s my opinion not yours u tell me to get off of something I think AG , where the hell u get off on telling people off of what they believe is not normal on a football field that made national headlines on every sports outfit in the country and it’s just a practice scuffle. If I think MT is a Steve smith just not yet. But go blow ur smoke up someone’s else’s asre. Pleasssse!

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I didn't come at you personally. Don't get where that comes from.

Sure it made news on all "sports outfits". It's the NFL. It's the most popular sport in the world. The defending Offensive Player of the Year was suspended by the team for getting into it with a coach. He served his brief suspension and everyone moved on, including the "sports outfits" looking for the next thing they could overhype. I'll guarantee if someone were to ask anyone associated with the team if there was any lingering issue, to a man they'd most likely laugh in that person's face.

It's just when someone tells me that they don't have any issues with another person I believe them. I guess it's just my trusting positive nature and belief in humankind. Believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better. That, of course, is your prerogative. If you think Thomas is some sort of prima donna, then fine. That, too, is your prerogative.

mapcow · 06-15-2021, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Bite my asre mr no it all

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Guido is obtuse.... ignore him

AsylumGuido · 06-15-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

Again , you come at me personably for what I think, it’s my opinion not yours u tell me to get off of something I think AG , where the hell u get off on telling people off of what they believe is not normal on a football field that made national headlines on every sports outfit in the country and it’s just a practice scuffle. If I think MT is a Steve smith just not yet. But go blow ur smoke up someone’s else’s asre. Pleasssse!

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, guys like Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Ray Rice and Bill Romanowski were consummate professionals who always carried themselves with dignity and never let their emotions rule them or hold grudges. 🙄

On Steve Smith:

According to an ESPN The Magazine feature on the incident, it sounds like Lucas and Smith had been going at each other in practices when Smith snapped. And the aftermath of that incident has been kind of fascinating. For as disturbing as the fight was, their public and private reconciliation served as a catalyst for the team that season, which the Panthers finished with a 12-4 record. When Smith caught his first touchdown that season, following the fight, he ran over to Lucas and presented him with the ball. Lucas said after the game, “Since day one, since the moment it happened, he has done everything that a man could ever do from a forgiveness standpoint … My hat is off to him. I’m surprised, but I’m not surprised.”

The fight between Smith and Lucas was FAR more vehement than the brief scuffle between Gardner-Johnson and Thomas. And, don't forget it was Gardner-Johnson that was the instigator, not Thomas, and he also caused two other players to throw punches in his direction. But, this shows how a fight between teammates doesn't have to create a permanent rift.

Ray Rice's issue were off the field. Romanowski was simply a mental case. Owen's had issues, as well, and was clearly self-centered. I don't see any of them resembling Michael Thomas in nature at all.

AsylumGuido · 06-15-2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Guido is obtuse.... ignore him

You apparently cannot ignore me. Virtually every post of yours is in response or in reference to me.

Take your own advice and ignore me.

Boston Saint · 06-15-2021, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

On Steve Smith:

According to an ESPN The Magazine feature on the incident, it sounds like Lucas and Smith had been going at each other in practices when Smith snapped. And the aftermath of that incident has been kind of fascinating. For as disturbing as the fight was, their public and private reconciliation served as a catalyst for the team that season, which the Panthers finished with a 12-4 record. When Smith caught his first touchdown that season, following the fight, he ran over to Lucas and presented him with the ball. Lucas said after the game, “Since day one, since the moment it happened, he has done everything that a man could ever do from a forgiveness standpoint … My hat is off to him. I’m surprised, but I’m not surprised.”

The fight between Smith and Lucas was FAR more vehement than the brief scuffle between Gardner-Johnson and Thomas. And, don't forget it was Gardner-Johnson that was the instigator, not Thomas, and he also caused two other players to throw punches in his direction. But, this shows how a fight between teammates doesn't have to create a permanent rift.

Ray Rice's issue were off the field. Romanowski was simply a mental case. Owen's had issues, as well, and was clearly self-centered. I don't see any of them resembling Michael Thomas in nature at all.

Oh, I forgot you were in the middle of both Thomas and Smiths fights and have intimate knowledge of cause, result, and aftermath! And that was hardly the only fight SS ever had. Are you claiming Smith has no bad blood against any player that he ever scuffled with??? BS.

Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is? My point is perfectly valid and accurate even if you won’t admit it.

And I’m sorry, but when a user makes a simple statement about hoping two players don’t hold a grudge and you respond with:

“I think you are the one that needs to "let it go", ST. I think you are making FAR, FAR more out of a simple practice scuffle than ever was there.“

You sure as hell are making it personal...especially when you follow up with a
post to him highlighting the word “you”. But maybe you are acting out your “haters gonna hate” mantra...IDK. Whatever point you are trying to make, a person as presumably accomplished as you portray to be can make it without insulting others should you choose.

Sorry for sticking up for you St T....I know you don’t need my help.

AsylumGuido · 06-15-2021, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Oh, I forgot you were in the middle of both Thomas and Smiths fights and have intimate knowledge of cause, result, and aftermath! And that was hardly the only fight SS ever had. Are you claiming Smith has no bad blood against any player that he ever scuffled with??? BS.

Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is? My point is perfectly valid and accurate even if you won’t admit it.

And I’m sorry, but when a user makes a simple statement about hoping two players don’t hold a grudge and you respond with:

“I think you are the one that needs to "let it go", ST. I think you are making FAR, FAR more out of a simple practice scuffle than ever was there.“

You sure as hell are making it personal...especially when you follow up with a
post to him highlighting the word “you”. But maybe you are acting out your “haters gonna hate” mantra...IDK. Whatever point you are trying to make, a person as presumably accomplished as you portray to be can make it without insulting others should you choose.

Sorry for sticking up for you St T....I know you don’t need my help.

First of all, ST wasn't "hoping two players don't hold a grudge", he was saying that he is convinced that they do hold a grudge and I was simply explaining that both have said they weren't and there is no reason for them to lie about that. I emphasized the "you" because if there truly is no longer an issue between the two of them as they claim then it is, by process of elimination, an issue for anyone that still believes an issue still exists. That individual is actually the one holding the grudge, not the two person's actually involved. In no way is any of that an insult. Have either of you ever had a fight or an argument with someone else? I know I have and in every case we were able to move on and leave it completely behind us. That is the way it usually works between two adults.

As for being there for both fights involving Thomas and Smith, no, I wasn't. But the cause (for the most part), result, and aftermath were presented in pretty clear depth. All of Smith's altercations were covered in depth on ESPN The Magazine and while we were not told exactly what Garner-Johnson said to draw the punch, the result and aftermath were addressed by Sean Payton via the media.

As for Dobler and grudges, there are undoubtedly dozens, if not hundreds of fights in practices and games in the NFL, college, etc. every year and while there is mostly likely a handful of grudges held, that clearly isn't the normal case.

To me it just isn't logical to think the very worst when every indication is that the worst is not the case.

But like you said, ST is an adult and can articulate his own case. By the way, this discussion in no way alters my positive feeling toward either of you.

Boston Saint · 06-15-2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, ST wasn't "hoping two players don't hold a grudge", he was saying that he is convinced that they do hold a grudge

Thank you for explaining what someone else meant as if they were not capable of doing so themselves.

I shouldn’t be surprised though, you’ve already told me how Smith, Thomas, etc feel and think.

gosaints1 · 06-15-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

...Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is?

I’d give you two thumbs up if I could for the old school name drop, lol. Well played! Well played indeed.

AsylumGuido · 06-15-2021, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Thank you for explaining what someone else meant as if they were not capable of doing so themselves.

I shouldn’t be surprised though, you’ve already told me how Smith, Thomas, etc feel and think.

I was explaining it to you. You seemed to have misinterpreted what he was saying. Our friend, ST, has shared on many occasions that he feels like Thomas is holding some sort of grudge and he feels like it can be detrimental in the locker room. And, no, I told you what Smith, Thomas, and others said about what they feel and think. Huge difference there, Boston. None of us can be in their heads. We can only rely on what they say. If they say and demonstrate that whatever past issue is behind them why not believe them?

And I don't get the comparison between Steve Smith and Michael Thomas anyway other than they are both WR's. Smith was involved in three encounters in his career. Thomas only once and that isolated event was instigated by Gardner-Johnson. I would think the comparison would be a better fit between Smith and Gardner-Johnson who has drawn punches from three different player in his short career. When has Thomas ever given the impression of being some sort of locker room trouble maker?

Boston Saint · 06-15-2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And I don't get the comparison between Steve Smith and Michael Thomas anyway...

Think about it. It will come to you.

06-15-2021, 10:28 AM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,070	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by st thomas Again , you come at me personably for what I think, it’s my opinion not yours u tell me to get off of something I think AG , where the hell u get off on telling people off of what they believe is not normal on a football field that made national headlines on every sports outfit in the country and it’s just a practice scuffle. If I think MT is a Steve smith just not yet. But go blow ur smoke up someone’s else’s asre. Pleasssse! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I didn't come at you personally. Don't get where that comes from. Sure it made news on all "sports outfits". It's the NFL. It's the most popular sport in the world. The defending Offensive Player of the Year was suspended by the team for getting into it with a coach. He served his brief suspension and everyone moved on, including the "sports outfits" looking for the next thing they could overhype. I'll guarantee if someone were to ask anyone associated with the team if there was any lingering issue, to a man they'd most likely laugh in that person's face. It's just when someone tells me that they don't have any issues with another person I believe them. I guess it's just my trusting positive nature and belief in humankind. Believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better. That, of course, is your prerogative. If you think Thomas is some sort of prima donna, then fine. That, too, is your prerogative.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-15-2021, 10:37 AM	#32
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,746	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by st thomas Bite my asre mr no it all Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Guido is obtuse.... ignore him
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06-15-2021, 10:41 AM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,070	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by st thomas Again , you come at me personably for what I think, it’s my opinion not yours u tell me to get off of something I think AG , where the hell u get off on telling people off of what they believe is not normal on a football field that made national headlines on every sports outfit in the country and it’s just a practice scuffle. If I think MT is a Steve smith just not yet. But go blow ur smoke up someone’s else’s asre. Pleasssse! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yeah, guys like Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Ray Rice and Bill Romanowski were consummate professionals who always carried themselves with dignity and never let their emotions rule them or hold grudges. 🙄 On Steve Smith: According to an ESPN The Magazine feature on the incident, it sounds like Lucas and Smith had been going at each other in practices when Smith snapped. And the aftermath of that incident has been kind of fascinating. For as disturbing as the fight was, their public and private reconciliation served as a catalyst for the team that season, which the Panthers finished with a 12-4 record. When Smith caught his first touchdown that season, following the fight, he ran over to Lucas and presented him with the ball. Lucas said after the game, “Since day one, since the moment it happened, he has done everything that a man could ever do from a forgiveness standpoint … My hat is off to him. I’m surprised, but I’m not surprised.” The fight between Smith and Lucas was FAR more vehement than the brief scuffle between Gardner-Johnson and Thomas. And, don't forget it was Gardner-Johnson that was the instigator, not Thomas, and he also caused two other players to throw punches in his direction. But, this shows how a fight between teammates doesn't have to create a permanent rift. Ray Rice's issue were off the field. Romanowski was simply a mental case. Owen's had issues, as well, and was clearly self-centered. I don't see any of them resembling Michael Thomas in nature at all.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-15-2021, 10:43 AM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,070	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by mapcow Guido is obtuse.... ignore him *You* apparently cannot ignore me. Virtually every post of yours is in response or in reference to me. Take your own advice and ignore me.

06-15-2021, 11:21 AM	#35
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido On Steve Smith: According to an ESPN The Magazine feature on the incident, it sounds like Lucas and Smith had been going at each other in practices when Smith snapped. And the aftermath of that incident has been kind of fascinating. For as disturbing as the fight was, their public and private reconciliation served as a catalyst for the team that season, which the Panthers finished with a 12-4 record. When Smith caught his first touchdown that season, following the fight, he ran over to Lucas and presented him with the ball. Lucas said after the game, “Since day one, since the moment it happened, he has done everything that a man could ever do from a forgiveness standpoint … My hat is off to him. I’m surprised, but I’m not surprised.” The fight between Smith and Lucas was FAR more vehement than the brief scuffle between Gardner-Johnson and Thomas. And, don't forget it was Gardner-Johnson that was the instigator, not Thomas, and he also caused two other players to throw punches in his direction. But, this shows how a fight between teammates doesn't have to create a permanent rift. Ray Rice's issue were off the field. Romanowski was simply a mental case. Owen's had issues, as well, and was clearly self-centered. I don't see any of them resembling Michael Thomas in nature at all. Oh, I forgot you were in the middle of both Thomas and Smiths fights and have intimate knowledge of cause, result, and aftermath! And that was hardly the only fight SS ever had. Are you claiming Smith has no bad blood against any player that he ever scuffled with??? BS. Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is? My point is perfectly valid and accurate even if you won’t admit it. And I’m sorry, but when a user makes a simple statement about hoping two players don’t hold a grudge and you respond with: “I think you are the one that needs to "let it go", ST. I think you are making FAR, FAR more out of a simple practice scuffle than ever was there.“ You sure as hell are making it personal...especially when you follow up with a post to him highlighting the word “you”. But maybe you are acting out your “haters gonna hate” mantra...IDK. Whatever point you are trying to make, a person as presumably accomplished as you portray to be can make it without insulting others should you choose. Sorry for sticking up for you St T....I know you don’t need my help. gosaints1 likes this.
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06-15-2021, 12:33 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,070	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by Boston Saint Oh, I forgot you were in the middle of both Thomas and Smiths fights and have intimate knowledge of cause, result, and aftermath! And that was hardly the only fight SS ever had. Are you claiming Smith has no bad blood against any player that he ever scuffled with??? BS. Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is? My point is perfectly valid and accurate even if you won’t admit it. And I’m sorry, but when a user makes a simple statement about hoping two players don’t hold a grudge and you respond with: “I think you are the one that needs to "let it go", ST. I think you are making FAR, FAR more out of a simple practice scuffle than ever was there.“ You sure as hell are making it personal...especially when you follow up with a post to him highlighting the word “you”. But maybe you are acting out your “haters gonna hate” mantra...IDK. Whatever point you are trying to make, a person as presumably accomplished as you portray to be can make it without insulting others should you choose. Sorry for sticking up for you St T....I know you don’t need my help. First of all, ST wasn't "hoping two players don't hold a grudge", he was saying that he is convinced that they do hold a grudge and I was simply explaining that both have said they weren't and there is no reason for them to lie about that. I emphasized the "you" because if there truly is no longer an issue between the two of them as they claim then it is, by process of elimination, an issue for anyone that still believes an issue still exists. That individual is actually the one holding the grudge, not the two person's actually involved. In no way is any of that an insult. Have either of you ever had a fight or an argument with someone else? I know I have and in every case we were able to move on and leave it completely behind us. That is the way it usually works between two adults. As for being there for both fights involving Thomas and Smith, no, I wasn't. But the cause (for the most part), result, and aftermath were presented in pretty clear depth. All of Smith's altercations were covered in depth on ESPN The Magazine and while we were not told exactly what Garner-Johnson said to draw the punch, the result and aftermath were addressed by Sean Payton via the media. As for Dobler and grudges, there are undoubtedly dozens, if not hundreds of fights in practices and games in the NFL, college, etc. every year and while there is mostly likely a handful of grudges held, that clearly isn't the normal case. To me it just isn't logical to think the very worst when every indication is that the worst is not the case. But like you said, ST is an adult and can articulate his own case. By the way, this discussion in no way alters my positive feeling toward either of you.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-15-2021, 01:17 PM	#37
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, ST wasn't "hoping two players don't hold a grudge", he was saying that he is convinced that they do hold a grudge Thank you for explaining what someone else meant as if they were not capable of doing so themselves. I shouldn’t be surprised though, you’ve already told me how Smith, Thomas, etc feel and think.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by Boston Saint ...Do I need to go back to Conrad Dobler examples to point out how crazy your statement about players being professionals and being above holding grudges is? I’d give you two thumbs up if I could for the old school name drop, lol. Well played! Well played indeed.
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06-15-2021, 03:55 PM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,070	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by Boston Saint Thank you for explaining what someone else meant as if they were not capable of doing so themselves. I shouldn’t be surprised though, you’ve already told me how Smith, Thomas, etc feel and think. I was explaining it to you. You seemed to have misinterpreted what he was saying. Our friend, ST, has shared on many occasions that he feels like Thomas is holding some sort of grudge and he feels like it can be detrimental in the locker room. And, no, I told you what Smith, Thomas, and others said about what they feel and think. Huge difference there, Boston. None of us can be in their heads. We can only rely on what they say. If they say and demonstrate that whatever past issue is behind them why not believe them? And I don't get the comparison between Steve Smith and Michael Thomas anyway other than they are both WR's. Smith was involved in three encounters in his career. Thomas only once and that isolated event was instigated by Gardner-Johnson. I would think the comparison would be a better fit between Smith and Gardner-Johnson who has drawn punches from three different player in his short career. When has Thomas ever given the impression of being some sort of locker room trouble maker?
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06-15-2021, 05:28 PM	#40
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton on Michael Thomas’ ankle: “So far, so good” Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And I don't get the comparison between Steve Smith and Michael Thomas anyway... Think about it. It will come to you.

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