Week Eight QB Debate

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2022, 08:36 AM

I'd like to see Winston finish out the year (if healthy enough) and see if he can be what we want moving forward. He's still never been given a full chance here. Keep Dalton at QB2 so Taysom can be committed 100% to his joker role.

If Winston passes the test then we can look for another backup to replace Dalton next year.

Rugby Saint II · 10-25-2022, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Mebbe he needs to go a titty bar?!?

Al Bundy like going to the titty bars. Oh wait, those were nudie bars. The local titty bar serves a nice steak. It's pretty good if you don't mind the occasional hair. LOL

TheOak · 10-25-2022, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He's still never been given a full chance here.

Why? Lets not treat it like chances were not afforded him. What, in your mind, constitutes "given a full chance"? Winston has started 10 games for New Orleans, that's more than 1/2 a season.

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2022, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Why? Lets not treat it like chances were not afforded him. What, in your mind, constitutes "given a full chance"? Winston has started 10 games for New Orleans, that's more than 1/2 a season.

In 2021 he was injured in the seventh of those ten games with a makeshift offensive line for all seven games. Ruiz was the only lineman to play in all seven. We went 5-2 in those games. We were also missing both Thomas and Kamara over part of that stretch.

This year Winston was injured during the very first game of the season, a game in which the Saints won. He played the next two games with multiple fractures to his transverse processes before finally being held out to recover.

Given the circumstances he has performed quite well. But, he really hasn't been given a good solid chance to prove what he can do with the Saints while healthy and with even most of the supporting cast in place.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-25-2022, 03:09 PM

Injured not injured I have not seen Winston be able to run the offense, read the defense and make the adjustments, go thru the progressions on passing plays in 2-3 second then move on the the check down short routes and intermediate route throws. Last year it was deep or next to nothing in between.

Pre injured to his knee he could scramble and keep the offense moving somewhat. That anti happening this year.

Not everything going wrong falls on Dalton but he show good Pre-snap recognition, can go thru the his progressions and take the short gain plays and has shown scramble ability.

If they stay with Dalton and he gets get a 1,2 or 3 receiver back or maybe 2 of the 3 the teams really needs to see that offense for a game or 2 with Dalton before making a change.

Winston coming back may give you deep play potential, which Dalton showed last week but can’t scramble or chooses not to.

Dalton and much healthier dose of Taysom … that’s the ticket.

dizzle88 · 10-25-2022, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Injured not injured I have not seen Winston be able to run the offense, read the defense and make the adjustments, go thru the progressions on passing plays in 2-3 second then move on the the check down short routes and intermediate route throws. Last year it was deep or next to nothing in between.

Pre injured to his knee he could scramble and keep the offense moving somewhat. That anti happening this year.

Not everything going wrong falls on Dalton but he show good Pre-snap recognition, can go thru the his progressions and take the short gain plays and has shown scramble ability.

If they stay with Dalton and he gets get a 1,2 or 3 receiver back or maybe 2 of the 3 the teams really needs to see that offense for a game or 2 with Dalton before making a change.

Winston coming back may give you deep play potential, which Dalton showed last week but can’t scramble or chooses not to.

Dalton and much healthier dose of Taysom … that’s the ticket.

From what I've seen of Winston, his first read is the only read.

Dalton, whilst he didn't have a great game, can score across all quarters.
Winston, typically scores in the 4th quarter, and it's a 50/50 of which team he's going to score for

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2022, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

From what I've seen of Winston, his first read is the only read.

Dalton, whilst he didn't have a great game, can score across all quarters.
Winston, typically scores in the 4th quarter, and it's a 50/50 of which team he's going to score for

Not saying what you've seen is completely wrong, but I know I have definitely seen Winston move through progressions. I don't doubt he sometimes feels he can make a throw on that first read if given any window at all, but I know I have seen him go from left to center to right, and visa versa, and have seen him check down short. It may have not always been the most accurate or touch laden check down, but he makes them.

I have searched for any sort of recent analysis of how he is his making reads, good or bad, but haven't been able to find one yet.

rezburna · 10-25-2022, 05:32 PM

His progression isn’t that bad. His pre-snap analysis could use some work. But IDK, maybe they don’t let him check out of plays.

The Dude · 10-26-2022, 12:18 AM

Larry Fitz said if your gonna have a Qb that’s gonna throw 3 interceptions it might as well be Winston. I have to agree. I really don’t think it matters.

subguy · 10-26-2022, 04:08 AM

What should resonate, is the fact that this is even a discussion with your "starter" and your backup. Either the starter sucks, or your backup has proven worthy. Real pity to even have to have this conversation, but Winston should have been the backup, nothing more, nothing less. But we didn't find a worthy number 1.

10-25-2022, 08:36 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate I'd like to see Winston finish out the year (if healthy enough) and see if he can be what we want moving forward. He's still never been given a full chance here. Keep Dalton at QB2 so Taysom can be committed 100% to his joker role. If Winston passes the test then we can look for another backup to replace Dalton next year. darksoul35 likes this.

10-25-2022, 09:08 AM	#22
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by SmashMouth Mebbe he needs to go a titty bar?!? Al Bundy like going to the titty bars. Oh wait, those were nudie bars. The local titty bar serves a nice steak. It's pretty good if you don't mind the occasional hair. LOL jnormand, SmashMouth and halloween 65 like this.

10-25-2022, 01:23 PM	#23
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He's still never been given a full chance here. Why? Lets not treat it like chances were not afforded him. What, in your mind, constitutes "given a full chance"? Winston has started 10 games for New Orleans, that's more than 1/2 a season. subguy, jnormand, K Major and 1 others like this.

10-25-2022, 02:20 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by TheOak Why? Lets not treat it like chances were not afforded him. What, in your mind, constitutes "given a full chance"? Winston has started 10 games for New Orleans, that's more than 1/2 a season. In 2021 he was injured in the seventh of those ten games with a makeshift offensive line for all seven games. Ruiz was the only lineman to play in all seven. We went 5-2 in those games. We were also missing both Thomas and Kamara over part of that stretch. This year Winston was injured during the very first game of the season, a game in which the Saints won. He played the next two games with multiple fractures to his transverse processes before finally being held out to recover. Given the circumstances he has performed quite well. But, he really hasn't been given a good solid chance to prove what he can do with the Saints while healthy and with even most of the supporting cast in place. darksoul35 and Big_L like this.
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10-25-2022, 03:09 PM	#25
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,265 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Injured not injured I have not seen Winston be able to run the offense, read the defense and make the adjustments, go thru the progressions on passing plays in 2-3 second then move on the the check down short routes and intermediate route throws. Last year it was deep or next to nothing in between. Pre injured to his knee he could scramble and keep the offense moving somewhat. That anti happening this year. Not everything going wrong falls on Dalton but he show good Pre-snap recognition, can go thru the his progressions and take the short gain plays and has shown scramble ability. If they stay with Dalton and he gets get a 1,2 or 3 receiver back or maybe 2 of the 3 the teams really needs to see that offense for a game or 2 with Dalton before making a change. Winston coming back may give you deep play potential, which Dalton showed last week but can’t scramble or chooses not to. Dalton and much healthier dose of Taysom … that’s the ticket. subguy, jnormand, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

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10-25-2022, 04:55 PM	#26
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Injured not injured I have not seen Winston be able to run the offense, read the defense and make the adjustments, go thru the progressions on passing plays in 2-3 second then move on the the check down short routes and intermediate route throws. Last year it was deep or next to nothing in between. Pre injured to his knee he could scramble and keep the offense moving somewhat. That anti happening this year. Not everything going wrong falls on Dalton but he show good Pre-snap recognition, can go thru the his progressions and take the short gain plays and has shown scramble ability. If they stay with Dalton and he gets get a 1,2 or 3 receiver back or maybe 2 of the 3 the teams really needs to see that offense for a game or 2 with Dalton before making a change. Winston coming back may give you deep play potential, which Dalton showed last week but can’t scramble or chooses not to. Dalton and much healthier dose of Taysom … that’s the ticket. From what I've seen of Winston, his first read is the only read. Dalton, whilst he didn't have a great game, can score across all quarters. Winston, typically scores in the 4th quarter, and it's a 50/50 of which team he's going to score for subguy and jnormand like this.

10-25-2022, 05:13 PM	#27
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by dizzle88 From what I've seen of Winston, his first read is the only read. Dalton, whilst he didn't have a great game, can score across all quarters. Winston, typically scores in the 4th quarter, and it's a 50/50 of which team he's going to score for Not saying what you've seen is completely wrong, but I know I have definitely seen Winston move through progressions. I don't doubt he sometimes feels he can make a throw on that first read if given any window at all, but I know I have seen him go from left to center to right, and visa versa, and have seen him check down short. It may have not always been the most accurate or touch laden check down, but he makes them. I have searched for any sort of recent analysis of how he is his making reads, good or bad, but haven't been able to find one yet.
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10-25-2022, 05:32 PM	#28
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: Week Eight QB Debate His progression isn’t that bad. His pre-snap analysis could use some work. But IDK, maybe they don’t let him check out of plays.

10-26-2022, 12:18 AM	#29
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Larry Fitz said if your gonna have a Qb that’s gonna throw 3 interceptions it might as well be Winston. I have to agree. I really don’t think it matters.
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10-26-2022, 04:08 AM	#30
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,092	Re: Week Eight QB Debate What should resonate, is the fact that this is even a discussion with your "starter" and your backup. Either the starter sucks, or your backup has proven worthy. Real pity to even have to have this conversation, but Winston should have been the backup, nothing more, nothing less. But we didn't find a worthy number 1. K Major likes this.