K Major

On the topic of QB ...

Does Dalton start vs the Rams? If JW is healthy, does he get the nod? I'd at least like to see what he can do as we enter the second half of the season.

At least audition for another team in 2023.

Try something different. We need a spark.

I left out Taysom because, for whatever reason, Allen/Carmichael refuses to allow a playmaker to get into a rhythm on offense.

dizzle88

At this stage, how could Taysom be any worse than what gets put out there every single week?

BakoSaint

Taysom is extremely injury prone. He had 4 seasons end with injury in college and had a bad concussion and a lisfranc injury last year. We have 3 injured olinemen and our backups are mostly minimum salary undrafted practice squad types. I think Taysom could be worse in that he could get injured and guarantee more of his high salary. I also think his playing style more allows us to evaluate Taysom, who I don't think is the answer long term due to age, injury, and playing style that promotes injury, and less allows us to evaluate other offensive weapons because its hard to tell whether a certain receiver, TE, or RB being unproductive is Taysoms fault with his limited QB skills or the other players fault. I would be ok drafting a QB like Taysom and hoping to end up with the next Hurts, Jackson, or Wilson, but that QB would not be in his 30's and when he was I would let him go like Seattle did with Wilson and like Baltimore may do with Jackson. I think Taysom is beyond the expiration date for his style of play. Even if he became a better version of Randall Cunningham, his availability would just mirror Cunningham in his 30's.

BakoSaint

And then if Loomis trades up for a QB in the draft, we protect that QB with a rag tag oline with Panning and McCoy coming off injuries, Peat on an NFL roster only due to fear of dead money, Ruiz a work in progress, and basically only one solid starter. And we already are missing our 2023 1st round pick and 2024 2nds round pick so probably trading back into the 2023 1st round costs our 2023 2nd rounder, 2023 1st rounder, and more, so we probably have no other high picks to help with oline and no extra cap money and also no picks to add a good TE or possession WR to give that QB dump off options.

I think it would be smarter, unless the perfect pick is there at our pick in the 2nd round, to wait on finding a QB until the 2024 draft, and to focus in 2023 on cleaning up our salary cap, cutting dead weight, and drafting lots of oline in the middle rounds.

If we get a big package for Payton we could get a QB in 2023 but I still prefer taking a chance on a late 1st to 2nd or later round QB and saving other resources for shoring up the oline vs going all in on a high pick QB and having to trade up and deplete our resources that could protect that QB.

BakoSaint

I have seen some argue that part of the problem is new cleats. They say artificial surfaces are designed not to grab so much and jam players joints up but players keep getting newer cleat designs to get extra traction and so they jam anyway. So these people say its players fault. But I think this is not thinking deep enough. If MLB allowed steroids, and the players knew it was a health risk but also wanted $30 million contracts, would that be fine for MLB to do and shame on the players for taking them? Not to me. Many players have a short window to earn money to provide for their families and so if the rules allow for something that could give them an advantage to secure a big contract they have to do it. MLB doesn't allow steroids. They also don't allow aluminum and carbon or alloy type bats that could be an advantage but would probably cause more injuries from getting hit with the ball. So maybe in addition to looking at playing surfaces the league should look at the other half of the traction equation with those surfaces. They regulate helmets, they regulate the field, maybe the game would also be safer if they regulated the cleats and only allowed the cleats on a given surface and weather condition that were safe on that condition. Many players will feel they have to risk a big injury by wearing cleats that could help them look better on the field to get a big contract but if they were regulated for all players it could level the playing field in a safer way.

Also, I think part of the problem is that the Saints medical staff are on the sort of level that if they were veterinarians you would not really trust them to put down your 15 year old dog in a way that would not cause undue suffering. But hey the pound wouldn't hire them so yeah, have them take a look at MT's leg.

Another factor is that yes, lots of teams have a lot of injuries this year, but many of those teams didn't make it their mission in life to trade away as many mid round picks as humanly possible the last 5 years. So when their starter goes down, some guy steps in who went 4th round in 2020 and is younger than the starter. Sometimes that guy sucks, sometimes he gets hurt too, but sometimes he is great and you forget the injury and win anyway. In our case the guy stepping in usually is some washed journeyman who has been injured since high school and could have gone to Bama and went 1st round if only he was 6 inches taller or didn't tear both ACL's in HS or didn't have an aneurism discovered after his 4th concussion. So when we have injuries it goes from bad to worse. And to make up for the middle round draft picks we trade away, we sign discount veterans on their last legs. So we get more injuries and when injuries happen we have less youth and upside on the second string. Instead we should try to accumulate more middle round picks so sometimes when a starter goes down, there is actually a level of excitement to see what the backup can do.

iceshack149

I think that will probably happen as well but they've been nailing their draft picks since Ireland came on board. We might get lucky.

Rugby Saint II

Unfortunately, Tyson is a one-trick pony with an injury history. It's hard to make it look any prettier than that.

Rugby Saint II

Unfortunately, Taysom Hill is a one-trick pony with an injury history. I like the guy and he is an amazing Swiss Army knife but he is no quarterback and he will never be a quarterback. That is why Sean Payton used him as an all purpose weapon. He can throw some but not somebody you want at QB for a full game or season.

Boston Saint

I can argue the idea of a “franchise” QB is overblown. Outside of Brady no QB has won multiple SBs as starter since Manning rode Denver’s D’s coattails. Rodgers hasn’t done it. Russel looked close. And here Philly is looking on track to win a second with a second rounder when their first one was won with a backup in Foles.

Is Stafford a franchise QB but not Ryan? How about Kirk Cousins or Kyler Murray. Point is with good enough players around him on both sides of the ball guys like Flacco have won a championship and guys like Kapernick have come damn close. Forget about a “Franchise QB”. If a good option is there draft him. If not, take a position of need/best player and sign Gardner Minshew for a couple years. If by some grace of the Lord 2023 turns into a relatively healthy year then you still have Thomas/Olave/Shaheed/Kamara with at least 3 or 4 solid linemen for him to work with. I’d roll that for a season.

Incidentally Minshews first few years stack up very well against Brees’s stat wise. Gardner’s completion percentage, TD percentage and INT percentage were all better than Drew’s.

You think you know, but you don’t know...and you never will! Coach Jim Mora

AsylumGuido

We may still have our QB on the roster. I still want to see Winston given more opportunity. That said ...