Franchise QB

BakoSaint · 11-13-2022, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think they’ll bring in Jimmy G. Seems like the Saints thing to do.

Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl.

rezburna · 11-13-2022, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023.

I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft.

Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season.

They usually play better when our expectations are low lol

keithday123 · 11-13-2022, 10:20 PM

Question is who is that guy that is eligible next year. I really like stroud, except for the pedigree of being another failed Ohio st QB in the nfl. Has size and athleticism. Hooker not bad, but seems about as athletic as JW. Of course if you wait and see bad again next year you could take a shot at Caleb Williams in 2024. Just talking of course. I’m by no means an expert

Rueben Mayes · 11-13-2022, 10:53 PM

Since we won't be getting a Franchise QB in time for next week...might as well put Winston in as the starter...maybe?

Taysom?

Daltoon ain't the answer...switch'em up and hope for some kind of spark of magic.

Halo · 11-13-2022, 11:49 PM

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

saintsfan1976 · 11-14-2022, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

I'm going to sound too optimistic here but QB may not be as dire as we think, Halo you bring up a great point. Instead of blowing up the roster, start replacing guys like Peat and reinvest in the trenches. You know, where the game is won... We saw positive results when the line was healthy. And if you give a QB 4 seconds, EVERYONE is open.

MatthewT · 11-14-2022, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake?

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2022, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

If the Saints were the only team experiencing these waves of injuries I might agree it may be a localized issue. But the fact is that team are losing key players throughout the league. The Rams, Cardinals, and Packers in the NFC all have similar problems. There's really only three teams that have avoided the injuries bug in the conference to a large degree and that is Philly (8-0), Minnesota (8-1), and the Giants (7-2). Only two of the other 13 teams in the conference have a winning record currently.

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2022, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake?

This could absolutely be part of the issue.

NFL players want changes to turf in Superdome, 5 other stadiums

The NFLPA says the turf used in those stadiums results in “statistically higher in-game injury rates” involving non-contact and lower-extremity injuries.

Author: Associated Press
Published: 7:55 AM CST November 13, 2022
Updated: 7:55 AM CST November 13, 2022

NEW YORK — The NFL Players Association is calling on six venues to change their current playing surfaces, saying the turf in those stadiums results in “statistically higher in-game injury rates” involving non-contact and lower-extremity injuries.

NFLPA President JC Tretter said Saturday the league should ban “slit film” playing surfaces that are used in Cincinnati, Detroit, Indianapolis, Minnesota, New Orleans and New York (Jets and Giants). Tretter posted his statement on the NFLPA website.

__________________________________________________

However, two of those six fields host teams that have the top two records in the NFC. It could simply be dumb luck.

stickman · 11-14-2022, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.

11-13-2022, 10:18 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by rezburna I think they’ll bring in Jimmy G. Seems like the Saints thing to do. Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl.
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11-13-2022, 10:19 PM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by K Major Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023. I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft. Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season. They usually play better when our expectations are low lol leilung, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

11-13-2022, 10:20 PM	#13
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 188	Re: Franchise QB Question is who is that guy that is eligible next year. I really like stroud, except for the pedigree of being another failed Ohio st QB in the nfl. Has size and athleticism. Hooker not bad, but seems about as athletic as JW. Of course if you wait and see bad again next year you could take a shot at Caleb Williams in 2024. Just talking of course. I’m by no means an expert
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11-13-2022, 10:53 PM	#14
Rueben Mayes 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 134	Re: Franchise QB Since we won't be getting a Franchise QB in time for next week...might as well put Winston in as the starter...maybe? Taysom? Daltoon ain't the answer...switch'em up and hope for some kind of spark of magic. Halo, leilung, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.
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11-13-2022, 11:49 PM	#15
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,718 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Franchise QB How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? iceshack149, MatthewT, neugey and 6 others like this.

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11-14-2022, 05:56 AM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by Halo How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? I'm going to sound too optimistic here but QB may not be as dire as we think, Halo you bring up a great point. Instead of blowing up the roster, start replacing guys like Peat and reinvest in the trenches. You know, where the game is won... We saw positive results when the line was healthy. And if you give a QB 4 seconds, EVERYONE is open. leilung, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

11-14-2022, 08:41 AM	#17
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by Halo How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake? AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-14-2022, 08:48 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by Halo How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? If the Saints were the only team experiencing these waves of injuries I might agree it may be a localized issue. But the fact is that team are losing key players throughout the league. The Rams, Cardinals, and Packers in the NFC all have similar problems. There's really only three teams that have avoided the injuries bug in the conference to a large degree and that is Philly (8-0), Minnesota (8-1), and the Giants (7-2). Only two of the other 13 teams in the conference have a winning record currently.

11-14-2022, 08:52 AM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by MatthewT I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake? This could absolutely be part of the issue. NFL players want changes to turf in Superdome, 5 other stadiums The NFLPA says the turf used in those stadiums results in “statistically higher in-game injury rates” involving non-contact and lower-extremity injuries. Author: Associated Press Published: 7:55 AM CST November 13, 2022 Updated: 7:55 AM CST November 13, 2022 NEW YORK — The NFL Players Association is calling on six venues to change their current playing surfaces, saying the turf in those stadiums results in “statistically higher in-game injury rates” involving non-contact and lower-extremity injuries. NFLPA President JC Tretter said Saturday the league should ban “slit film” playing surfaces that are used in Cincinnati, Detroit, Indianapolis, Minnesota, New Orleans and New York (Jets and Giants). Tretter posted his statement on the NFLPA website. __________________________________________________ However, two of those six fields host teams that have the top two records in the NFC. It could simply be dumb luck. MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.
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11-14-2022, 01:30 PM	#20
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by BakoSaint Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.