Is it time to shake up upper management?

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 09:53 AM

I don't understand why some are always thinking the Saints are in "cap hell". Every year they have plenty of cap available. The difference is in how the cap is accounted. Contracts are constructed to hold available cap in the form of base salary and annual bonuses such as roster and workout bonuses. All of these can be easily converted to free cap if and when needed. This is the growing trend in the NFL due to the ever increasing cap. It just makes sense to account for current expenditures in future periods when the amount is a smaller percentage of the overall cap.

When Khai Harley moves on from his position with the Saints it will be to install this same financial system with the acquiring franchise. Before long this is going to be the standard method of maintaining the cap across the entire league.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't understand why some are always thinking the Saints are in "cap hell". Every year they have plenty of cap available.

If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team.

SmashMouth · 11-16-2022, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team.

They should be based on how these moves played out...

I still recall just how deflated Cameron Jordan was after the CGJ announcement.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team.

Teams let players go every year based upon salary and other concerns. While Williams might have been salary related, I believe that Gardner-Johnson, right or wrong, was moved due to being disruptive (refusing to practice and such). As for Williams, they had the ability to pay him more and even whatever he wanted, but, right or wrong, they probably believed he wasn't worth it. The same thing with Terron Armstead, but part of his departure may have been their disappointment with his availability.

It's too easy for fans to blame things on the cap when other factors exist. Ever since the advent of free agency players have been allowed to leave teams. Not having the funds to be able to pay them is seldom the reason.

halloween 65 · 11-16-2022, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Teams let players go every year based upon salary and other concerns. While Williams might have been salary related, I believe that Gardner-Johnson, right or wrong, was moved due to being disruptive (refusing to practice and such). As for Williams, they had the ability to pay him more and even whatever he wanted, but, right or wrong, they probably believed he wasn't worth it. The same thing with Terron Armstead, but part of his departure may have been their disappointment with his availability.

It's too easy for fans to blame things on the cap when other factors exist. Ever since the advent of free agency players have been allowed to leave teams. Not having the funds to be able to pay them is seldom the reason.

Spin it how u want but very few teams let go of or trade poorly like a talent CJG was, that dude was just a plain stud. And being disruptive was them not giving him the money on a new contract. That's because of cap he!! we're in.MONEY!!

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Spin it how u want but very few teams let go of or trade poorly like a talent CJG was, that dude was just a plain stud. And being disruptive was them not giving him the money on a new contract. That's because of cap he!! we're in.MONEY!!

But we aren't in cap hell. And we have the money. For whatever reason (ie. his refusing to take coaching, demanding more than they felt he was worth) he's gone and at least they got something for him in exchange.

halloween 65 · 11-16-2022, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team.

I think CGJ leads the NFL in int's right now, 6 i think, to hand him over for a bag of balls like papz said, lunacy.

11-16-2022, 09:53 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? I don't understand why some are always thinking the Saints are in "cap hell". Every year they have plenty of cap available. The difference is in how the cap is accounted. Contracts are constructed to hold available cap in the form of base salary and annual bonuses such as roster and workout bonuses. All of these can be easily converted to free cap if and when needed. This is the growing trend in the NFL due to the ever increasing cap. It just makes sense to account for current expenditures in future periods when the amount is a smaller percentage of the overall cap. When Khai Harley moves on from his position with the Saints it will be to install this same financial system with the acquiring franchise. Before long this is going to be the standard method of maintaining the cap across the entire league.
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11-16-2022, 10:15 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't understand why some are always thinking the Saints are in "cap hell". Every year they have plenty of cap available. If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team. iceshack149, jnormand, papz and 4 others like this.

11-16-2022, 10:20 AM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,813 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by Boston Saint If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team. They should be based on how these moves played out... I still recall just how deflated Cameron Jordan was after the CGJ announcement. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

11-16-2022, 11:09 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by Boston Saint If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team. Teams let players go every year based upon salary and other concerns. While Williams might have been salary related, I believe that Gardner-Johnson, right or wrong, was moved due to being disruptive (refusing to practice and such). As for Williams, they had the ability to pay him more and even whatever he wanted, but, right or wrong, they probably believed he wasn't worth it. The same thing with Terron Armstead, but part of his departure may have been their disappointment with his availability. It's too easy for fans to blame things on the cap when other factors exist. Ever since the advent of free agency players have been allowed to leave teams. Not having the funds to be able to pay them is seldom the reason.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-16-2022, 02:07 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Teams let players go every year based upon salary and other concerns. While Williams might have been salary related, I believe that Gardner-Johnson, right or wrong, was moved due to being disruptive (refusing to practice and such). As for Williams, they had the ability to pay him more and even whatever he wanted, but, right or wrong, they probably believed he wasn't worth it. The same thing with Terron Armstead, but part of his departure may have been their disappointment with his availability. It's too easy for fans to blame things on the cap when other factors exist. Ever since the advent of free agency players have been allowed to leave teams. Not having the funds to be able to pay them is seldom the reason. Spin it how u want but very few teams let go of or trade poorly like a talent CJG was, that dude was just a plain stud. And being disruptive was them not giving him the money on a new contract. That's because of cap he!! we're in.MONEY!!

11-16-2022, 02:51 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Spin it how u want but very few teams let go of or trade poorly like a talent CJG was, that dude was just a plain stud. And being disruptive was them not giving him the money on a new contract. That's because of cap he!! we're in.MONEY!! But we aren't in cap hell. And we have the money. For whatever reason (ie. his refusing to take coaching, demanding more than they felt he was worth) he's gone and at least they got something for him in exchange.

11-16-2022, 01:59 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is it time to shake up upper management? Originally Posted by Boston Saint If that were true then CGJ and/or Williams would still be on the team. I think CGJ leads the NFL in int's right now, 6 i think, to hand him over for a bag of balls like papz said, lunacy. SmashMouth likes this.