Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability.

What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful.

But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point?

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point?

Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower.

The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:27 PM

It just makes me laugh when our best offensive player fumbles twice and Dennis Allen is blamed…..I admit I could be 100% wrong. But that makes no sense to me.

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It just makes me laugh when our best offensive player fumbles twice and Dennis Allen is blamed…..I admit I could be 100% wrong. But that makes no sense to me.

Again, I'm not blaming Allen for Alvin's fumbles.
I'm blaming Allen for the fact that the offense has been inept all season, and he's made zero changes.

If Alvin fumbles, show him it's not okay and sit him.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Again, I'm not blaming Allen for Alvin's fumbles.
I'm blaming Allen for the fact that the offense has been inept all season, and he's made zero changes.

If Alvin fumbles, show him it's not okay and sit him.

Cool. I think some do blame Kamara's fumbles on Allen. As well as other things that aren't his fault.

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:44 PM

I think there's a very fine line, I think both players and coaches are guilty of a lot this season.

In my view, players need to be held accountable for their BS.

On the other hand, a lot of people here say Dalton is awful and he just might be, but only one person makes the call to keep playing him. So that person obviously thinks there's no better player on the roster to take Dalton's spot. Which I think brings in the right for his decision making to be questioned.

I guess it varies on which way you view it.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think there's a very fine line, I think both players and coaches are guilty of a lot this season.

In my view, players need to be held accountable for their BS.

On the other hand, a lot of people here say Dalton is awful and he just might be, but only one person makes the call to keep playing him. So that person obviously thinks there's no better player on the roster to take Dalton's spot. Which I think brings in the right for his decision making to be questioned.

I guess it varies on which way you view it.

But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed.

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed.

Agreed again, I think Olave and Shaheed, with a decent QB and a better offensive coordinator, could be a great tandem.

K Major · 11-29-2022, 05:09 PM

Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further.

He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game".

I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC.

Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't.

saintsfan1976 · 11-29-2022, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further.

He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game".

I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC.

Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't.

I've gone back and forth on this all season. I'm afraid we're stuck with Allen because they have such a long history together and probably feel this was mostly due to injuries.

11-29-2022, 03:31 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability. What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful. But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point? AsylumGuido likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:33 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point? Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower. The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball. SmashMouth likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:27 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers It just makes me laugh when our best offensive player fumbles twice and Dennis Allen is blamed…..I admit I could be 100% wrong. But that makes no sense to me. papz, saintsfan1976 and AsylumGuido like this.

11-29-2022, 03:32 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint It just makes me laugh when our best offensive player fumbles twice and Dennis Allen is blamed…..I admit I could be 100% wrong. But that makes no sense to me. Again, I'm not blaming Allen for Alvin's fumbles. I'm blaming Allen for the fact that the offense has been inept all season, and he's made zero changes. If Alvin fumbles, show him it's not okay and sit him. SmashMouth and K Major like this.

11-29-2022, 03:34 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Again, I'm not blaming Allen for Alvin's fumbles. I'm blaming Allen for the fact that the offense has been inept all season, and he's made zero changes. If Alvin fumbles, show him it's not okay and sit him. Cool. I think some do blame Kamara's fumbles on Allen. As well as other things that aren't his fault.

11-29-2022, 03:44 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I think there's a very fine line, I think both players and coaches are guilty of a lot this season. In my view, players need to be held accountable for their BS. On the other hand, a lot of people here say Dalton is awful and he just might be, but only one person makes the call to keep playing him. So that person obviously thinks there's no better player on the roster to take Dalton's spot. Which I think brings in the right for his decision making to be questioned. I guess it varies on which way you view it. Boston Saint likes this.
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11-29-2022, 03:47 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think there's a very fine line, I think both players and coaches are guilty of a lot this season. In my view, players need to be held accountable for their BS. On the other hand, a lot of people here say Dalton is awful and he just might be, but only one person makes the call to keep playing him. So that person obviously thinks there's no better player on the roster to take Dalton's spot. Which I think brings in the right for his decision making to be questioned. I guess it varies on which way you view it. But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed. dizzle88 likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:49 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed. Agreed again, I think Olave and Shaheed, with a decent QB and a better offensive coordinator, could be a great tandem.

11-29-2022, 05:09 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further. He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game". I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC. Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't. saintsfan1976, Sinner and shawnkytonk like this.

11-29-2022, 07:34 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,023 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by K Major Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further. He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game". I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC. Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't. I've gone back and forth on this all season. I'm afraid we're stuck with Allen because they have such a long history together and probably feel this was mostly due to injuries. AsylumGuido and Rueben Mayes like this.