Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties?

AsylumGuido · 12-04-2022, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

^^^ Simplified: Coaching.

You can only coach so much. It has more to do with repetition. You can only do so much as a coach when the offensive line (including the TE) has been in a constant flux. The main culprit has been the lineman with the fewest snaps, Throckmorton. He's had close to 20% of the entire team's false starts himself.

What else can a coach do to to get him to stop? Bench him? Hell, he's only playing because there isn't anyone else available. Every new CBA reduces the amount of time that coaches can spend with players. It also reduces the number of practice repetitions. At some point to the individual players that are making mistakes. If it was solely on coaching the entire team would be making the same mistakes. They aren't.

Sinner · 12-04-2022, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You can only coach so much. It has more to do with repetition. You can only do so much as a coach when the offensive line (including the TE) has been in a constant flux. The main culprit has been the lineman with the fewest snaps, Throckmorton. He's had close to 20% of the entire team's false starts himself.

What else can a coach do to to get him to stop? Bench him? Hell, he's only playing because there isn't anyone else available. Every new CBA reduces the amount of time that coaches can spend with players. It also reduces the number of practice repetitions. At some point to the individual players that are making mistakes. If it was solely on coaching the entire team would be making the same mistakes. They aren't.

^^^ Simplified: Coaching.

AsylumGuido · 12-04-2022, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

^^^ Simplified: Coaching.

If it makes you happy.

Sinner · 12-04-2022, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If it makes you happy.

No. It doesn't.

AsylumGuido · 12-04-2022, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

No. It doesn't.

Doesn't make me happy either because I don't believe that's the main issue. Put the blame where it belongs ... on the players themselves. We have backups up and down the offensive line. Sadly mistakes come with that situation. Throwing blame at one of the best defensive line coaches in the league makes no sense.

Sinner · 12-04-2022, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Doesn't make me happy either because I don't believe that's the main issue. Put the blame where it belongs ... on the players themselves. We have backups up and down the offensive line. Sadly mistakes come with that situation. Throwing blame at one of the best defensive line coaches in the league makes no sense.

You can throw the blame wherever you want all day, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Head Coach to fix these problems.

AsylumGuido · 12-04-2022, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

You can throw the blame wherever you want all day, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Head Coach to fix the problem(s).

Tell me how the head coach gets the players, coached by perhaps the best offensive line coach in the game today, better than they are being coached by said coach.

Please explain. In detail. I guess I'm slow. What am I missing?

12-04-2022, 08:33 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner ^^^ Simplified: Coaching. You can only coach so much. It has more to do with repetition. You can only do so much as a coach when the offensive line (including the TE) has been in a constant flux. The main culprit has been the lineman with the fewest snaps, Throckmorton. He's had close to 20% of the entire team's false starts himself. What else can a coach do to to get him to stop? Bench him? Hell, he's only playing because there isn't anyone else available. Every new CBA reduces the amount of time that coaches can spend with players. It also reduces the number of practice repetitions. At some point to the individual players that are making mistakes. If it was solely on coaching the entire team would be making the same mistakes. They aren't.
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12-04-2022, 03:48 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You can only coach so much. It has more to do with repetition. You can only do so much as a coach when the offensive line (including the TE) has been in a constant flux. The main culprit has been the lineman with the fewest snaps, Throckmorton. He's had close to 20% of the entire team's false starts himself. What else can a coach do to to get him to stop? Bench him? Hell, he's only playing because there isn't anyone else available. Every new CBA reduces the amount of time that coaches can spend with players. It also reduces the number of practice repetitions. At some point to the individual players that are making mistakes. If it was solely on coaching the entire team would be making the same mistakes. They aren't. ^^^ Simplified: Coaching. K Major likes this.
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12-04-2022, 04:04 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner ^^^ Simplified: Coaching. If it makes you happy.

12-04-2022, 04:58 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If it makes you happy. No. It doesn't. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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12-04-2022, 05:11 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner No. It doesn't. Doesn't make me happy either because I don't believe that's the main issue. Put the blame where it belongs ... on the players themselves. We have backups up and down the offensive line. Sadly mistakes come with that situation. Throwing blame at one of the best defensive line coaches in the league makes no sense.

12-04-2022, 05:35 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Doesn't make me happy either because I don't believe that's the main issue. Put the blame where it belongs ... on the players themselves. We have backups up and down the offensive line. Sadly mistakes come with that situation. Throwing blame at one of the best defensive line coaches in the league makes no sense. You can throw the blame wherever you want all day, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Head Coach to fix these problems. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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12-04-2022, 05:48 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties? Originally Posted by Sinner You can throw the blame wherever you want all day, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Head Coach to fix the problem(s). Tell me how the head coach gets the players, coached by perhaps the best offensive line coach in the game today, better than they are being coached by said coach. Please explain. In detail. I guess I'm slow. What am I missing?

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