Who's responsible for Saints leading the NFL in false start penalties?
 

This topic (false starts) has been broached here recently. My least liked offensive lineman is by far the most guilty, Calvin Throckmorton, with five false starts in only 280 snaps. Cesar Ruiz has the best (lowest) ratio of false starts to snaps by far at only one in a team leading 755 snaps.

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It’s coaching and the lack of attention to detail.

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I think it has more to do with the lack of positional consistency of the offensive line. And more importantly, the center position. It may also be on Dalton to a degree. The cadence may be causing an issue at times.

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^^^ Simplified: Coaching.

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You can only coach so much. It has more to do with repetition. You can only do so much as a coach when the offensive line (including the TE) has been in a constant flux. The main culprit has been the lineman with the fewest snaps, Throckmorton. He's had close to 20% of the entire team's false starts himself.

What else can a coach do to to get him to stop? Bench him? Hell, he's only playing because there isn't anyone else available. Every new CBA reduces the amount of time that coaches can spend with players. It also reduces the number of practice repetitions. At some point to the individual players that are making mistakes. If it was solely on coaching the entire team would be making the same mistakes. They aren't.

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New quarterbacks, new coaches, offensive linemen starting who aren't starters, offensive linemen switching positions... All of these things contribute.

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The false starts at home are the ones that are very frustrating and less excusable.

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The Steelers had a borderline terrible offensive line in 2021, carried over into this season, cut some players, switched QBs (Trubisky to Baby Hands rookie K Pickett) & now dealing with an OC that will probably lose his job after the season. Yet, somehow they managed to eliminate false start penalties (3rd to last in false starts - KC has less than any team).

Some of ya'll reaching on excuses with this Dennis Allen led team.

False start 2022

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Everyone is making some very good points about the backups playing and being penalized. However, I still think it falls on Dennis Allen who is just too lackadaisical to be a leader of men. He has no fire, no leadership skills, and he does not demand accountability for poor showings.

Just keep doing what you're doing.... Good lord, that is just loser talk! Unfortunately, we'll probably be stuck with Dennis Allen for another year.

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"Keep doing what you're doing"

Fumbling, missing tackles, getting stupid penalties.

DA's appointment press conference had me fooled, I genuinely thought he had fire and would hold players accountable.

Doesn't look like he even cares.

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Don't forget that the offensive line coach is one of the very best ever in Doug Marrone. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to coach just because Dennis Allen became head coach? Seriously, now. :rolleyes:

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^^^ Simplified: Coaching.

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If it makes you happy.

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No. It doesn't.

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Doesn't make me happy either because I don't believe that's the main issue. Put the blame where it belongs ... on the players themselves. We have backups up and down the offensive line. Sadly mistakes come with that situation. Throwing blame at one of the best defensive line coaches in the league makes no sense.

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I just watched a Bengals WR drop a sure TD pass. Whose fault was that?

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Bad coaching, of course.

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You can throw the blame wherever you want all day, but at the end of the day, it's up to the Head Coach to fix these problems.

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I'm not talking about the Bengals.

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I guess Kelce needs coaching cause he fumbled.

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Tell me how the head coach gets the players, coached by perhaps the best offensive line coach in the game today, better than they are being coached by said coach.

Please explain. In detail. I guess I'm slow. What am I missing?

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Yup. Coach Reid sucks.

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No, that’s a reach. He doesn’t suck because his team is still good. But he IS responsible for Kelce’s fumble just like Allen is responsible for Kamara’s fumbles.

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This is true. He's also responsible for every individual penalty committed. But, he doesn't suck because his team is winning ... and healthy.

But God forbid he loses 4/5th of his offensive line. Then he'd suck for sure.

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It's the Head Coach's job to say, "Just keep doing what you're doing". I get it now. Thanks.

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That was during ONE game based upon the game plan. That wasn't a statement on the season. Pay attention to the context of statements.

:rolleyes:

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I get it. Really. DA is the next Vince Lombardi... The next Andy Reid. Thanks.

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We have a talented but injured roster and a head coach who doesn't know how to lead men. That is a recipe for disaster. And a disaster is just what our season has looked like so far!

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If you look at a team that is unorganized, lacks Focus, and performs below expectations then you well probably see a Dennis Allen coached team. At least that is what I see.

I understand Boston's many valid points about Dennis Allen and the multiple injuries we've had along with a backup quarterback leading the team. Although, I still believe that Dennis Allen should have brought in a more Worthy quarterback. Yes, the front office and l both gave Winston the benefit of the doubt. Now I doubt that the front office nor I made a good decision.

With us benching Winston it looks like that was not the right move for a first-year coach to bring ba basically a laughing stock and try to fix him. Sean Payton coached Winston last year and was able to bring out his best. Unfortunately, Dennis Allen does not know how to bring out his players best. How in the world can you lead the NFL in false start penalties? Yes, we have backups out there but they should be motivated to stop the numerous penalties that we have been committing.

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Saints had more penalties (6-84)
Only 56 total plays (Tampa - 75)
3rd down efficiency was poor (5-14)

But the big stat line for me —> RED ZONE (0-3). Settling for fgs instead of TDs.

It’s the “little” things that get you beat on Sundays.

Details, details.

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Indeed. Like catching passes that hit your hands.

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That's a COACHING issue... It's about MOTIVATION... Unless you are suggesting that Receivers at the PROFESSIONAL LEVEL don't know how to catch a football?

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You seem to Be suggesting that receivers at the professional level can’t catch unless a couch motivates them. I disagree. They should do their damn job and catch the damn ball. This isn’t Pop Warner.

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The Prima Donna and the thug

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So they CAN catch! But they don't or won't. Why not? (By the way, I LOVE that you wrote "couch" instead of "coach". Sounds about right).

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An, the old autocorrect insult. Pretty sorry when you have to resort to that.

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Don't be insulted by autocorrect. Sometimes it gets it right!

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If a player requires a coach to motivate them to catch a ball or to keep from moving prior to the snap then it is 100% THAT player's problem. That's something they should have already mastered well before ever becoming a professional.

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So you ARE saying that PROFESSIONAL RECEIVERS haven't mastered catching the ball before becoming professional? Or now that they are PROS, they forgot how to catch? Or PROFESSIONAL LINEMEN haven't learned how to keep from moving prior to the snap, well before becoming PROS, or that now that they are PROFESSIONALS, they forgot how to PLAY? And that THESE professional players DON'T require a PROFESSIONAL COACH to motivate them?

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None of the above. No doubt they can all catch a ball FAR, FAR better than you or I. But, they are human and as humans make mistakes like all of us. Why? Perhaps they are trying too hard to get an edge. But, nothing a coach says at this point of their careers about basic fundamentals should make a difference.

Just look at the Rams. They are have exactly the same issues. I guess in your mind McVay has suddenly forgot how to coach.