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saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967204)
Players cannot be part of any transaction for the rights to a contracted coach.

And Payton will absolutely go where HE wants to go, not to where the Saints want him to go. They only have control over where they DON'T want him to go.
Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967206)
Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract.
They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future.

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967207)
They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future.
Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967205)
Doesn't prevent a player deal from happening.
No it doesn't. But it would be shot down by the league if they was any hint that there was some sort of relationship to the coach's transaction. The league office has vetoed Saints trades in the past for less.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967209)
Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.
Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967212)
Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.
If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967215)
If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.
The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 09:13 AM
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If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.
You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 09:31 AM
Re: SP Putting Together a Staff
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967218)
You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.
Unless there is more than one destination SP has interest in.

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 09:33 AM
Re: SP Putting Together a Staff
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967216)
The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?
The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him.

He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks.


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