Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

MatthewT · 01-06-2023, 01:31 PM

Guys, there isn't any such thing as a bidding war for a coach. First there is an agreement to coach the team, then compensation to let that coach out of their current contract needs to be agreed upon. If that last step is never agreed upon, the coach under contract simply will not coach that team.

voodooido · 01-06-2023, 02:26 PM

Only real missing piece i see is QB. We need an above average qb to manage not to take over the game. We have plenty of offensive weapons. We need someone like a Dilfer or Neil O’Donnell. Just put the ball in the right hands. Would love to see us go after White, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones.

AsylumGuido · 01-06-2023, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it.

From the Saints perspective, true, but that means nothing if Payton doesn't want that job over another. In that case the Saints would have to accept less from someone else ... or nothing and not trade his rights at all. Any deal the Saints broker for the rights will be totally dependent on Payton wanting the job. The Texans can offer three 1st's plus other picks, but if the best they can get from somewhere Payton wants to go is a 2nd and a 3rd, for example, then that's it or nothing.

AsylumGuido · 01-06-2023, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Guys, there isn't any such thing as a bidding war for a coach. First there is an agreement to coach the team, then compensation to let that coach out of their current contract needs to be agreed upon. If that last step is never agreed upon, the coach under contract simply will not coach that team.

Exactly. I've been trying to stress that very point.

AsylumGuido · 01-06-2023, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Only real missing piece i see is QB. We need an above average qb to manage not to take over the game. We have plenty of offensive weapons. We need someone like a Dilfer or Neil O’Donnell. Just put the ball in the right hands. Would love to see us go after White, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones.

The QB's you are naming are basically Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston or less.

cmike · 01-06-2023, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The QB's you are naming are basically Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston or less.

Dalton’s not costing us games. 1 INT in a few weeks now. He didn’t cost us the Bucs or 49er losses. Look at the dimes he threw to Kirkwood in -9 degree weather in Cleveland. Ball bouncing off JJ’s hands last week.
Now Andy’s isn’t perfect, he gets rattled when the pocket collapses around him. Absolutely UGLY.
He hasn’t had Payton running the offense. Pete just doesn’t know how to keep the O in rhythm.
Andy basically has two rookie receiver’s, a converted WR at TE and whatever RB is in the backfield on the play to catch passes.
AD’s play has been respectable.

dizzle88 · 01-06-2023, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

Dalton’s not costing us games. 1 INT in a few weeks now. He didn’t cost us the Bucs or 49er losses. Look at the dimes he threw to Kirkwood in -9 degree weather in Cleveland. Ball bouncing off JJ’s hands last week.
Now Andy’s isn’t perfect, he gets rattled when the pocket collapses around him. Absolutely UGLY.
He hasn’t had Payton running the offense. Pete just doesn’t know how to keep the O in rhythm.
Andy basically has two rookie receiver’s, a converted WR at TE and whatever RB is in the backfield on the play to catch passes.
AD’s play has been respectable.

I read somewhere recently that he was number 7 in QB rating for the season.

He isn't a world beater, but he managed the games. The losses that doomed this team, were largely because other areas faltered.

K Major · 01-06-2023, 05:10 PM

Let's recap ...

Dalton was ranked:

21st in red zone efficiency
10th highest interception rate
24th in yards per game
22nd in points per game

That's a pretty bad game "manager" if you asked me.

The Saints need a QB and an OC if they want to have real success in 2023.

Perspective.

AsylumGuido · 01-06-2023, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Let's recap ...

Dalton was ranked:

21st in red zone efficiency
10th highest interception rate
24th in yards per game
22nd in points per game

That's a pretty bad game "manager" if you asked me.

The Saints need a QB and an OC if they want to have real success in 2023.

Perspective.

They need an OC and a healthy offensive line. Those red zone numbers were affected more by penalties and dropped balls than anything Dalton did wrong. Yards per game and points per game are also more dependent on the offense as a whole than the QB. I'll give you interception rate. That one half against the Cardinals probably made the difference between top ten best to top ten worst.

And you are 100% correct ...

Perspective!

But, yes, they need a QB that can be elite. I don't see a free agent or an absolute slam dunk rookie that can be that. It may take years to a fully fill our wishes at QB.

xan · 01-07-2023, 09:24 AM

Not being much of a Big10 fan, I'm inclined to allow those institutions to combine maximum hope with catastrophic disappointment. Harbaugh fills that requirement as a head coach for Michigan. Who would want that for the Saints? Just the history presented on this thread justifies a HARD PASS.

01-06-2023, 01:31 PM	#31
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,705	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Guys, there isn't any such thing as a bidding war for a coach. First there is an agreement to coach the team, then compensation to let that coach out of their current contract needs to be agreed upon. If that last step is never agreed upon, the coach under contract simply will not coach that team. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-06-2023, 02:26 PM	#32
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,744	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Only real missing piece i see is QB. We need an above average qb to manage not to take over the game. We have plenty of offensive weapons. We need someone like a Dilfer or Neil O’Donnell. Just put the ball in the right hands. Would love to see us go after White, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones.
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01-06-2023, 03:02 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth From the Saints perspective, it goes to the highest bidder. If the Texans, so be it. From the Saints perspective, true, but that means nothing if Payton doesn't want that job over another. In that case the Saints would have to accept less from someone else ... or nothing and not trade his rights at all. Any deal the Saints broker for the rights will be totally dependent on Payton wanting the job. The Texans can offer three 1st's plus other picks, but if the best they can get from somewhere Payton wants to go is a 2nd and a 3rd, for example, then that's it or nothing.

01-06-2023, 03:03 PM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by MatthewT Guys, there isn't any such thing as a bidding war for a coach. First there is an agreement to coach the team, then compensation to let that coach out of their current contract needs to be agreed upon. If that last step is never agreed upon, the coach under contract simply will not coach that team. Exactly. I've been trying to stress that very point.

01-06-2023, 03:04 PM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by voodooido Only real missing piece i see is QB. We need an above average qb to manage not to take over the game. We have plenty of offensive weapons. We need someone like a Dilfer or Neil O’Donnell. Just put the ball in the right hands. Would love to see us go after White, Mac Jones or Daniel Jones. The QB's you are naming are basically Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston or less. cmike likes this.

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01-06-2023, 03:20 PM	#36
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,379	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The QB's you are naming are basically Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston or less. Dalton’s not costing us games. 1 INT in a few weeks now. He didn’t cost us the Bucs or 49er losses. Look at the dimes he threw to Kirkwood in -9 degree weather in Cleveland. Ball bouncing off JJ’s hands last week. Now Andy’s isn’t perfect, he gets rattled when the pocket collapses around him. Absolutely UGLY. He hasn’t had Payton running the offense. Pete just doesn’t know how to keep the O in rhythm. Andy basically has two rookie receiver’s, a converted WR at TE and whatever RB is in the backfield on the play to catch passes. AD’s play has been respectable. UK_WhoDat, SmashMouth, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

01-06-2023, 04:50 PM	#37
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by cmike Dalton’s not costing us games. 1 INT in a few weeks now. He didn’t cost us the Bucs or 49er losses. Look at the dimes he threw to Kirkwood in -9 degree weather in Cleveland. Ball bouncing off JJ’s hands last week. Now Andy’s isn’t perfect, he gets rattled when the pocket collapses around him. Absolutely UGLY. He hasn’t had Payton running the offense. Pete just doesn’t know how to keep the O in rhythm. Andy basically has two rookie receiver’s, a converted WR at TE and whatever RB is in the backfield on the play to catch passes. AD’s play has been respectable. I read somewhere recently that he was number 7 in QB rating for the season. He isn't a world beater, but he managed the games. The losses that doomed this team, were largely because other areas faltered.

01-06-2023, 05:10 PM	#38
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,044 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Let's recap ... Dalton was ranked: 21st in red zone efficiency 10th highest interception rate 24th in yards per game 22nd in points per game That's a pretty bad game "manager" if you asked me. The Saints need a QB and an OC if they want to have real success in 2023. Perspective.

01-06-2023, 06:11 PM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by K Major Let's recap ... Dalton was ranked: 21st in red zone efficiency 10th highest interception rate 24th in yards per game 22nd in points per game That's a pretty bad game "manager" if you asked me. The Saints need a QB and an OC if they want to have real success in 2023. Perspective. They need an OC and a healthy offensive line. Those red zone numbers were affected more by penalties and dropped balls than anything Dalton did wrong. Yards per game and points per game are also more dependent on the offense as a whole than the QB. I'll give you interception rate. That one half against the Cardinals probably made the difference between top ten best to top ten worst. And you are 100% correct ... Perspective! But, yes, they need a QB that can be elite. I don't see a free agent or an absolute slam dunk rookie that can be that. It may take years to a fully fill our wishes at QB. WW_Who_Dat likes this.
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01-07-2023, 09:24 AM	#40
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Not being much of a Big10 fan, I'm inclined to allow those institutions to combine maximum hope with catastrophic disappointment. Harbaugh fills that requirement as a head coach for Michigan. Who would want that for the Saints? Just the history presented on this thread justifies a HARD PASS.