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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; There are reports Jim Harbaugh will return to the NFL if offered a job. If we could somehow bring in Jim Harbaugh it could be a win-win for strategic reasons. Habaughs availability on the market could decrease the trade value ...

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Old 01-02-2023, 11:01 PM   #1
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Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

There are reports Jim Harbaugh will return to the NFL if offered a job. If we could somehow bring in Jim Harbaugh it could be a win-win for strategic reasons.

Habaughs availability on the market could decrease the trade value of Sean Payton. He is a similar big name coach but costs no draft picks. Even a team that prefers Payton might offer fewer picks with Harbaugh as a fallback.

Likewise, the possibility of a Sean Payton return is appealing, but then we dont get any draft picks, and have no 1st rounder thanks to Loomisí Eagles blunder.

But lets say we sign Harbaugh to replace Payton. We may gain more than any other team because we take Harbaugh off the market, leaving all Paytons other destinations available, and maximizing Paytons trade value. Then we end up with a head coach that has a better regular and post season winning percentage than Payton and who has successfully drafted and developed a second round QB into a star. Also we get a coach who has a needed change of scenery instead of one who burned out with us. And a coach who has won with a mobile qb and with a pocket passing qb and beat Payton in big games.

I am not saying this is very realistic or we could pull it off. But if we did it could be a giant win. Harbaughs career winning percentage is literally more than double Dennis Allens. He is like a Dick Vermeil etc who got very close to a super bowl win and is still hungry and has all the skill.
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Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.
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Old 01-03-2023, 09:34 AM   #3
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Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.

The Eagles win was a heck of a surprise. I'm all over the place. It's all on the table now. There's a great argument for giving DA more time, but Payton and Harbaugh need to be considered too.
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Old 01-03-2023, 09:34 AM   #4
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Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Pass on Harbaugh.

Pass on Payton.

Pass on "rebuild".

I' like what I've seen the last few games and if players didn't want to play for DA, they'd send a different message.

Get healthy. Change the OC. Get your QB1. Tweak the roster.

The NFC South is well in play for 2023.
Winning the NFL South in 2023 at 8-9 or whatever wont mean going deep in the playoffs. Also the the Falcons will have $100 million and a high 1st round pick more than us to improve with from a similar record. Maybe the players want to play for DA but that does not make him elite just passible.

Dennis Allen has never beat a winning team with its #1 QB starting. We should not get too excited that he finally got 2 losing teams and a team without its starting qb in a row and eeked out close wins. Maybe he is ok but ok does not make him Payton or Harbaugh.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

We beat Atlanta twice by a combined total of 4 points. They cleared $124 million more cap space than we did for 2023 while winning 1 less game than us, actually a better record than us outside those head to head games. If we donít rebuild, I fear $124 million can buy 4 points.
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If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.
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Old 01-03-2023, 10:51 AM   #6
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Iíve forgotten about those picks we gave to the Eagles. In return we probably got the offensive rookie of the Year(Olave) and Penning. Would I give up a 1st rounder for Rasheed. Absolutely.
Heís only leading all rookies in big play yardage and 2nd amongst all players.
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Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

Originally Posted by SmashMouth View Post
If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.
We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

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Iíve forgotten about those picks we gave to the Eagles. In return we probably got the offensive rookie of the Year(Olave) and Penning. Would I give up a 1st rounder for Rasheed. Absolutely.
Heís only leading all rookies in big play yardage and 2nd amongst all players.
This is why I can't understand the concern over trading that 2023 1st rounder. It's very, very possible that whatever we would have selected with that pick in 2023 would not be as valuable as what we got for it in 2022. For all we know it could have ended up as a total bust.
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Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

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We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might.
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Old 01-03-2023, 03:49 PM   #10
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From where I sit, we're actually winning games...and we're still all banged up. To scrap this team and start over would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm more inclined to get rid of Carmichael, cut bait on the chronically PUP players and tweak the roster to focus on scoring.

Nobody in the South scares me at this point and we can only go up if we just get/stay heathy and improve our 3rd Down and Red Zone efficiency. We have some solid young talent. I really think we can make some noise in 2023.
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