Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers

K Major · 01-11-2023, 11:31 AM

Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose

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Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches.

Mediocrity. Sad

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Sinner · 01-11-2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose .

Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches.

Mediocrity. Sad .

"No fire from these pitiful coaches." <--- The way you use the words "No fire"...
No one fired... Hmmm...

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose .

Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches.

Mediocrity. Sad .

Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force.

(Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!)

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force.

(Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!)

My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.

I believe I have a better understanding of my Life Force than do you, Sinner. It is my business if we worked our asses off for our whole lives that spending $5K on season tickets and $10K on lodging and other expenses is no large investment and gives us joy. And for your information, I do not drive home in silence again, and again, and again as you erroneously surmised. I spent the first leg of the trip this past Sunday not only in silence because of the outcome, but more so because I knew it was the final game of the season and it wouldn't be until next preseason that we would have the chance to experience the atmosphere of Saints football in the Dome. There were also late games on NFL Radio to make the time pass quicker.

And, not only do I know for a fact that I personally have no ability to affect the outcome of any off-season decisions, but I am also positive that you or any other fan have no ability to affect those outcomes, either. Believing you do is nothing more than lying to yourself. I don't fault you for wishing for those outcomes, nor wanting those outcomes. I don't disagree with many of those wants, either.

If any of those desires of yours truly do come about it will be solely because it was the desire of those that truly have the ability to make the decisions. That is a fact.

gumbeau · 01-11-2023, 04:57 PM

As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made.

Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year.

Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game.

It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games.

I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up.

Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeau

As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made.

Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year.

Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game.

It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games.

I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up.

Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more.

I respect your choice, gumbeau. While you were in the womb I was just moving to Louisiana as a nine-year-old and found out my new state was getting a brand new NFL team. I've been a fan ever since and back in 2015 my wife and I put our names on the season ticket list. Fifteen years later we finally got the call and haven't looked back. I know we've had a tough transition from the Brees and Payton era and have faced a couple of years of the worst injury laden times I can ever remember, but I am confident things, one way or another, will start looking up again.

And I'm right there with your mom. I can't give it up. It has been far too much of a part of my life for the last 55 plus years.

vpheughan · 01-11-2023, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeau

As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made.

Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year.

Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game.

It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games.

I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up.

Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more.

I know i do! It's a good feeling not to be controlled by Theater disguised as sport. I watch through a "Let's see if I can spot the fix" lens now. Start paying attention to the players body language on the sidelines. Some are really bad at hiding their feelings.

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I know i do! It's a good feeling not to be controlled by Theater disguised as sport. I watch through a "Let's see if I can spot the fix" lens now. Start paying attention to the players body language on the sidelines. Some are really bad at hiding their feelings.

A WHOLE 'nother conversation. ^^^ One that definitely takes the piss out of the hypnosis.

BakoSaint · 01-12-2023, 01:15 AM

I was at the NFCCG too and have been much more hesitant to spend big money attending nfl games since then, but I still follow my team.

I don’t think minor diffences in voting with my wallet will make a big difference to the nfl but it might make a difference to my wallet.

I don’t think the nfl is fixed but i think it is biased. I think refs know that uncle roger has some golden boy teams and some black sheep teams and if they lean a bit on the scales and be sure not to let those degenerate black sheep teams get away with any hits while making sure not to be too hard on those golden boy teams who have the best intentions, that when a position opens for head of officiating or other plum assignments, their name will be high on the list. I think that having that bias, they also dont like being called on it and having their authority questioned, so when a team and its fans see their abuse and complain their bias only grows.

I don’t think my individual opinion effects the Saints personnel decisions but I think everyone on this site shares opinions and it would be pointless to join this site if all you ever say is ‘keep doing more of the same.’ So this is a place to vent. But if we all start venting about the same things and a Saints coach or GM ends up about as popular as Roger Goodell in New Orleans that might move the needle to firing them. Loomis may be safer than many foreign dictators from the effects of public opinion but he is not invulnerable if he keeps it up and gives Shaheed to Philly for a 5th and throws in our 2024 1st rounder.

Anyway it may not take my persuasion to get rid of Loomis. He has the look of a hard drinker. In the draft he likes to take big risks and ignore health concerns, if he has similar tastes in the bedroom that could get him some viruses. Mix the two and there is some risk of liver problems. So maybe the Loomis problem will solve itself.

01-11-2023, 11:31 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose . Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches. Mediocrity. Sad . Sinner likes this.

01-11-2023, 11:36 AM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose . Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches. Mediocrity. Sad . "No fire from these pitiful coaches." <--- The way you use the words "No fire"... No one fired... Hmmm... K Major likes this.
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01-11-2023, 12:04 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,708	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose . Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches. Mediocrity. Sad . Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force. (Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!)

01-11-2023, 12:14 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force. (Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!) My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.
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01-11-2023, 12:38 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,708	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature. I believe I have a better understanding of my Life Force than do you, Sinner. It is my business if we worked our asses off for our whole lives that spending $5K on season tickets and $10K on lodging and other expenses is no large investment and gives us joy. And for your information, I do not drive home in silence again, and again, and again as you erroneously surmised. I spent the first leg of the trip this past Sunday not only in silence because of the outcome, but more so because I knew it was the final game of the season and it wouldn't be until next preseason that we would have the chance to experience the atmosphere of Saints football in the Dome. There were also late games on NFL Radio to make the time pass quicker. And, not only do I know for a fact that I personally have no ability to affect the outcome of any off-season decisions, but I am also positive that you or any other fan have no ability to affect those outcomes, either. Believing you do is nothing more than lying to yourself. I don't fault you for wishing for those outcomes, nor wanting those outcomes. I don't disagree with many of those wants, either. If any of those desires of yours truly do come about it will be solely because it was the desire of those that truly have the ability to make the decisions. That is a fact.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-11-2023, 04:57 PM	#6
gumbeau Where Y'at? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 519	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made. Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year. Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game. It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games. I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up. Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more. iceshack149, vpheughan, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

01-11-2023, 05:12 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,708	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by gumbeau As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made. Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year. Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game. It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games. I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up. Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more. I respect your choice, gumbeau. While you were in the womb I was just moving to Louisiana as a nine-year-old and found out my new state was getting a brand new NFL team. I've been a fan ever since and back in 2015 my wife and I put our names on the season ticket list. Fifteen years later we finally got the call and haven't looked back. I know we've had a tough transition from the Brees and Payton era and have faced a couple of years of the worst injury laden times I can ever remember, but I am confident things, one way or another, will start looking up again. And I'm right there with your mom. I can't give it up. It has been far too much of a part of my life for the last 55 plus years.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-11-2023, 07:13 PM	#8
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,555	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by gumbeau As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made. Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year. Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game. It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games. I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up. Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more. I know i do! It's a good feeling not to be controlled by Theater disguised as sport. I watch through a "Let's see if I can spot the fix" lens now. Start paying attention to the players body language on the sidelines. Some are really bad at hiding their feelings. iceshack149 and Sinner like this.
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01-11-2023, 07:27 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by vpheughan I know i do! It's a good feeling not to be controlled by Theater disguised as sport. I watch through a "Let's see if I can spot the fix" lens now. Start paying attention to the players body language on the sidelines. Some are really bad at hiding their feelings. A WHOLE 'nother conversation. ^^^ One that definitely takes the piss out of the hypnosis.
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01-12-2023, 01:15 AM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,409	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers I was at the NFCCG too and have been much more hesitant to spend big money attending nfl games since then, but I still follow my team. I don’t think minor diffences in voting with my wallet will make a big difference to the nfl but it might make a difference to my wallet. I don’t think the nfl is fixed but i think it is biased. I think refs know that uncle roger has some golden boy teams and some black sheep teams and if they lean a bit on the scales and be sure not to let those degenerate black sheep teams get away with any hits while making sure not to be too hard on those golden boy teams who have the best intentions, that when a position opens for head of officiating or other plum assignments, their name will be high on the list. I think that having that bias, they also dont like being called on it and having their authority questioned, so when a team and its fans see their abuse and complain their bias only grows. I don’t think my individual opinion effects the Saints personnel decisions but I think everyone on this site shares opinions and it would be pointless to join this site if all you ever say is ‘keep doing more of the same.’ So this is a place to vent. But if we all start venting about the same things and a Saints coach or GM ends up about as popular as Roger Goodell in New Orleans that might move the needle to firing them. Loomis may be safer than many foreign dictators from the effects of public opinion but he is not invulnerable if he keeps it up and gives Shaheed to Philly for a 5th and throws in our 2024 1st rounder. Anyway it may not take my persuasion to get rid of Loomis. He has the look of a hard drinker. In the draft he likes to take big risks and ignore health concerns, if he has similar tastes in the bedroom that could get him some viruses. Mix the two and there is some risk of liver problems. So maybe the Loomis problem will solve itself.
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