Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers

Sinner · 01-10-2023, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Go back and watch the presser when he took took the position. He was asked something along the lines of how long has he waited or thought about being a head coach again.

He replied that he doesn't think about the future. This is why he will never be a successful head coach in the NFL.

What I am seeing is that there is a premise that he is either a new head coach or new to the organization. Typically people new to an organization take the first year to asses what they have before they start making changes which is why they get a second year to implement. Dennis Allen is not a new HC nor is he new to the Saints so he just pissed away his rebuild year.

"so he just pissed away his rebuild year." <--- Just pissed away OUR year as well. And many Fans are ready to sit through another one.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I've shared my opinion a few times about him, nothing has changed so far. There is an expectation as a high round pick to be something more than what he has shown. He doesn't look quite as bad as Peat did when they drafted him to be a right tackle, but it's pretty close. Additionally, if you dig around at different scouting report sources, many had concerns about his pass blocking, it is seriously not me just watching this crap on TV.

Yeah. I know. I've seen you post the exact same opinion about him several times as early as during the preseason. None of which have been based on any substantive evaluation as a pro. He hasn't shown much because he hasn't had an opportunity to show much. He's played less than a single game! I've seen people foolishly jump the gun labeling a player after only one full season as this or that, but you have been labeling him with the same description since preseason. And those "scouting report sources" have seen no more than you have since he was drafted.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"so he just pissed away his rebuild year." <--- Just pissed away OUR year as well. And many Fans are ready to sit through another one.

If he's still here next season I'll damn well sit through it. If he's not here I'll also sit right there through it. Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over.

I'm just looking forward to every step of the off-season and to whatever happens with the team between now and the preseason. I'm going to continue to find as much pleasure as I can in following the team that I have followed for 55 plus years and take everything else in stride.

I am anxiously awaiting any coaching changes and any current player decisions. I am optimistically looking forward to free agency and the draft. I am looking forward to the final schedule being released so we can begin planning our trips to NOLA for all of the home games. I am looking eagerly forward to all of the good things to do with my Saints in the coming year!

Who Dat!

Sinner · 01-10-2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If he's still here next season I'll damn well sit through it. If he's not here I'll also sit right there through it. Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over.

I'm just looking forward to every step of the off-season and to whatever happens with the team between now and the preseason. I'm going to continue to find as much pleasure as I can in following the team that I have followed for 55 plus years and take everything else in stride.

I am anxiously awaiting any coaching changes and any current player decisions. I am optimistically looking forward to free agency and the draft. I am looking forward to the final schedule being released so we can begin planning our trips to NOLA for all of the home games. I am looking eagerly forward to all of the good things to do with my Saints in the coming year!

Who Dat!

"Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over."

^^^ Guess what? YOU and I have EVERYTHING to do with it. Without the FAN - the CUSTOMER, the DEMAND... There would be no Sport. So you go ahead and look forward to sitting back and having your Life Force pissed away, while multi-millionaires take it all in stride. At least you'll know that you have EVERYTHING to do with that. The rest of us will DEMAND EXCELLENCE (imagine that)

dizzle88 · 01-10-2023, 04:12 PM

Ravens just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in NFL history for some reason.

I'm reading that fans think they won't be able to keep Lamar Jackson due to this move.

Maybe our chance to get him and make up for taking Davenport instead.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over."

^^^ Guess what? YOU and I have EVERYTHING to do with it. Without the FAN - the CUSTOMER, the DEMAND... There would be no Sport. So you go ahead and look forward to sitting back and having your Life Force pissed away, while multi-millionaires take it all in stride. At least you'll know that you have EVERYTHING to do with that. The rest of us will DEMAND EXCELLENCE (imagine that)

Demand all you want. It has no affect. If Gayle wants Loomis, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Loomis wants Allen, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Allen wants Carmichael, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. Etcetera. The real demand remains because the vast majority of fans wants one thing ... games to watch and/or bet on.

My Life Force carries on strongly whether we go 7-10 or win the Super Bowl. I choose not to let anything piss away my Life Force, even if it is something I love as much as my Saints. I'll still drop $15K plus every year to attend games. I'll still spend hours a days checking the "wire" for any news on my beloved team. I'll still throw on any one of my many Saints shirts in the morning and run my errands repping my Black and Gold.

Someday I hope that you too can capture the same sort of passion that can save you wear and tear on your Life Force and still give you the joy of having something special to follow cheerfully ... win, lose, or draw.

Who Dat!

Sinner · 01-10-2023, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Demand all you want. It has no affect. If Gayle wants Loomis, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Loomis wants Allen, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Allen wants Carmichael, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. Etcetera. The real demand remains because the vast majority of fans wants one thing ... games to watch and/or bet on.

My Life Force carries on strongly whether we go 7-10 or win the Super Bowl. I choose not to let anything piss away my Life Force, even if it is something I love as much as my Saints. I'll still drop $15K plus every year to attend games. I'll still spend hours a days checking the "wire" for any news on my beloved team. I'll still throw on any one of my many Saints shirts in the morning and run my errands repping my Black and Gold.

Someday I hope that you too can capture the same sort of passion that can save you wear and tear on your Life Force and still give you the joy of having something special to follow cheerfully ... win, lose, or draw.

Who Dat!

Our piss-poorly-coached team lost the last game of this piss-poor season AT HOME - to a QB that threw for 43 YDS and ZERO TDS and 2 INTERCEPTIONS. You saw it (and evidently enjoyed it) with your own eyes. My passion is to see my team WIN. We're different kind of Fans. "You and I don't have anything to do with it" is the most ridiculous thing a Fan could possibly say.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Our piss-poorly-coached team lost the last game of this piss-poor season AT HOME - to a QB that threw for 43 YDS and ZERO TDS and 2 INTERCEPTIONS. You saw it (and evidently enjoyed it) with your own eyes. My passion is to see my team WIN. We're different kind of Fans.

I enjoyed the opportunity to see my Saints. I did curse at the fans at one point for starting the stupid assed wave while we had the ball in the 4th quarter. I called Dalton a couple of names on some lame assed throws. I was irritated several times at Dalton, in fact.

Yet, I was there in the stands and sat in silence at the end for a bit before we trucked out to the car and started our five hour journey back home. I drove the first hour and a half being unable to say a word to my wife. We just drove in mutual silence. I then moved on and have continued moving on as life insists. I know I can only control what I can control. It doesn't prohibit bitter disappointment, but it allows me to keep my Life Force strong and healthy.

Yes, I suppose we are different kinds of fans. We may both have the same love for our team but are different in the way we process those things over which we have no control.

I wish you and your Life Force well.

mapcow · 01-11-2023, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Pitiful finish. I don't see how next season will be any better.

it will not be....

mapcow · 01-11-2023, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Brace yourself, it could get worse in 2023.

It will......

01-10-2023, 01:31 PM	#31
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by TheOak Go back and watch the presser when he took took the position. He was asked something along the lines of how long has he waited or thought about being a head coach again. He replied that he doesn't think about the future. This is why he will never be a successful head coach in the NFL. What I am seeing is that there is a premise that he is either a new head coach or new to the organization. Typically people new to an organization take the first year to asses what they have before they start making changes which is why they get a second year to implement. Dennis Allen is not a new HC nor is he new to the Saints so he just pissed away his rebuild year. "so he just pissed away his rebuild year." <--- Just pissed away OUR year as well. And many Fans are ready to sit through another one. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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01-10-2023, 01:35 PM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by MatthewT I've shared my opinion a few times about him, nothing has changed so far. There is an expectation as a high round pick to be something more than what he has shown. He doesn't look quite as bad as Peat did when they drafted him to be a right tackle, but it's pretty close. Additionally, if you dig around at different scouting report sources, many had concerns about his pass blocking, it is seriously not me just watching this crap on TV. Yeah. I know. I've seen you post the exact same opinion about him several times as early as during the preseason. None of which have been based on any substantive evaluation as a pro. He hasn't shown much because he hasn't had an opportunity to show much. He's played less than a single game! I've seen people foolishly jump the gun labeling a player after only one full season as this or that, but you have been labeling him with the same description since preseason. And those "scouting report sources" have seen no more than you have since he was drafted.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-10-2023, 01:51 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner "so he just pissed away his rebuild year." <--- Just pissed away OUR year as well. And many Fans are ready to sit through another one. If he's still here next season I'll damn well sit through it. If he's not here I'll also sit right there through it. Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over. I'm just looking forward to every step of the off-season and to whatever happens with the team between now and the preseason. I'm going to continue to find as much pleasure as I can in following the team that I have followed for 55 plus years and take everything else in stride. I am anxiously awaiting any coaching changes and any current player decisions. I am optimistically looking forward to free agency and the draft. I am looking forward to the final schedule being released so we can begin planning our trips to NOLA for all of the home games. I am looking eagerly forward to all of the good things to do with my Saints in the coming year! Who Dat!
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-10-2023, 01:58 PM	#34
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If he's still here next season I'll damn well sit through it. If he's not here I'll also sit right there through it. Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over. I'm just looking forward to every step of the off-season and to whatever happens with the team between now and the preseason. I'm going to continue to find as much pleasure as I can in following the team that I have followed for 55 plus years and take everything else in stride. I am anxiously awaiting any coaching changes and any current player decisions. I am optimistically looking forward to free agency and the draft. I am looking forward to the final schedule being released so we can begin planning our trips to NOLA for all of the home games. I am looking eagerly forward to all of the good things to do with my Saints in the coming year! Who Dat! "Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over." ^^^ Guess what? YOU and I have EVERYTHING to do with it. Without the FAN - the CUSTOMER, the DEMAND... There would be no Sport. So you go ahead and look forward to sitting back and having your Life Force pissed away, while multi-millionaires take it all in stride. At least you'll know that you have EVERYTHING to do with that. The rest of us will DEMAND EXCELLENCE (imagine that)
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01-10-2023, 04:12 PM	#35
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01-10-2023, 04:52 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner "Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over." ^^^ Guess what? YOU and I have EVERYTHING to do with it. Without the FAN - the CUSTOMER, the DEMAND... There would be no Sport. So you go ahead and look forward to sitting back and having your Life Force pissed away, while multi-millionaires take it all in stride. At least you'll know that you have EVERYTHING to do with that. The rest of us will DEMAND EXCELLENCE (imagine that) Demand all you want. It has no affect. If Gayle wants Loomis, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Loomis wants Allen, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Allen wants Carmichael, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. Etcetera. The real demand remains because the vast majority of fans wants one thing ... games to watch and/or bet on. My Life Force carries on strongly whether we go 7-10 or win the Super Bowl. I choose not to let anything piss away my Life Force, even if it is something I love as much as my Saints. I'll still drop $15K plus every year to attend games. I'll still spend hours a days checking the "wire" for any news on my beloved team. I'll still throw on any one of my many Saints shirts in the morning and run my errands repping my Black and Gold. Someday I hope that you too can capture the same sort of passion that can save you wear and tear on your Life Force and still give you the joy of having something special to follow cheerfully ... win, lose, or draw. Who Dat!
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-10-2023, 05:23 PM	#37
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Demand all you want. It has no affect. If Gayle wants Loomis, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Loomis wants Allen, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Allen wants Carmichael, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. Etcetera. The real demand remains because the vast majority of fans wants one thing ... games to watch and/or bet on. My Life Force carries on strongly whether we go 7-10 or win the Super Bowl. I choose not to let anything piss away my Life Force, even if it is something I love as much as my Saints. I'll still drop $15K plus every year to attend games. I'll still spend hours a days checking the "wire" for any news on my beloved team. I'll still throw on any one of my many Saints shirts in the morning and run my errands repping my Black and Gold. Someday I hope that you too can capture the same sort of passion that can save you wear and tear on your Life Force and still give you the joy of having something special to follow cheerfully ... win, lose, or draw. Who Dat! Our piss-poorly-coached team lost the last game of this piss-poor season AT HOME - to a QB that threw for 43 YDS and ZERO TDS and 2 INTERCEPTIONS. You saw it (and evidently enjoyed it) with your own eyes. My passion is to see my team WIN. We're different kind of Fans. "You and I don't have anything to do with it" is the most ridiculous thing a Fan could possibly say. K Major likes this.
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01-10-2023, 05:41 PM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner Our piss-poorly-coached team lost the last game of this piss-poor season AT HOME - to a QB that threw for 43 YDS and ZERO TDS and 2 INTERCEPTIONS. You saw it (and evidently enjoyed it) with your own eyes. My passion is to see my team WIN. We're different kind of Fans. I enjoyed the opportunity to see my Saints. I did curse at the fans at one point for starting the stupid assed wave while we had the ball in the 4th quarter. I called Dalton a couple of names on some lame assed throws. I was irritated several times at Dalton, in fact. Yet, I was there in the stands and sat in silence at the end for a bit before we trucked out to the car and started our five hour journey back home. I drove the first hour and a half being unable to say a word to my wife. We just drove in mutual silence. I then moved on and have continued moving on as life insists. I know I can only control what I can control. It doesn't prohibit bitter disappointment, but it allows me to keep my Life Force strong and healthy. Yes, I suppose we are different kinds of fans. We may both have the same love for our team but are different in the way we process those things over which we have no control. I wish you and your Life Force well.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-11-2023, 10:56 AM	#39
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by NOLA54 Pitiful finish. I don't see how next season will be any better. it will not be....
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01-11-2023, 10:57 AM	#40
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,793	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by K Major Brace yourself, it could get worse in 2023. It will......
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