Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

From one dedicated Fan to another, I thank you for continuing to publicly display how your continued support of the Status Quo, enables it to continue. Just as with the "politics" of anything, your action$ $peak louder than words.

Excuse me? When have I said that I am in favor of the status quo? I have said that I am in favor of Loomis, certainly. I have also said that I'd like to see Carmichael replaced. But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens.

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force.

(Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!)

My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.

I believe I have a better understanding of my Life Force than do you, Sinner. It is my business if we worked our asses off for our whole lives that spending $5K on season tickets and $10K on lodging and other expenses is no large investment and gives us joy. And for your information, I do not drive home in silence again, and again, and again as you erroneously surmised. I spent the first leg of the trip this past Sunday not only in silence because of the outcome, but more so because I knew it was the final game of the season and it wouldn't be until next preseason that we would have the chance to experience the atmosphere of Saints football in the Dome. There were also late games on NFL Radio to make the time pass quicker.

And, not only do I know for a fact that I personally have no ability to affect the outcome of any off-season decisions, but I am also positive that you or any other fan have no ability to affect those outcomes, either. Believing you do is nothing more than lying to yourself. I don't fault you for wishing for those outcomes, nor wanting those outcomes. I don't disagree with many of those wants, either.

If any of those desires of yours truly do come about it will be solely because it was the desire of those that truly have the ability to make the decisions. That is a fact.

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Excuse me? When have I said that I am in favor of the status quo? I have said that I am in favor of Loomis, certainly. I have also said that I'd like to see Carmichael replaced. But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens.

"But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens."

THAT ^^^ is known as "Victim Fetish".

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens."

THAT ^^^ is known as "Victim Fetish".

No. It is being grounded in reality, my friend.

It is not wasting negative energy on futile dreams.

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. It is being grounded in reality, my friend. It is not wasting negative energy on futile dreams.

In ANY OTHER FIELD OF ENDEAVOR, ANY ONE... if the customer is dissatisfied, the service provider is obligated to make any and all necessary adjustments to bring satisfaction. Your satisfaction (complacency) with what has just transpired, culminating in you just happily sitting back to "see what happens", tells your service provider (Team management) to "Just keep doing what you're doing". I cannot thank you for that.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:48 PM

Once again, Sinner, I applaud you for wanting what you want for our Saints. I would be pleased with much of it myself. But believing that you can personally assist in bringing about any of the changes yourself is ... I really can't even label it, honestly.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

In ANY OTHER FIELD OF ENDEAVOR, ANY ONE... if the customer is dissatisfied, the service provider is obligated to make any and all necessary adjustments to bring satisfaction. Your satisfaction (complacency) with what has just transpired, culminating in you just happily sitting back to "see what happens", tells your service provider (Team management) to "Just keep doing what you're doing". I cannot thank you for that.

Yeah, right. You just keep thinking that, Sinner. Gayle's going to really lose sleep over your personal dissatisfaction.

Sinner · 01-11-2023, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Once again, Sinner, I applaud you for wanting what you want for our Saints. I would be pleased with much of it myself. But believing that you can personally assist in bringing about any of the changes yourself is ... I really can't even label it, honestly.

Again, in a world where "the customer is always right", you being a satisfied customer DIRECTLY tells the Team Management to continue to take your money (and Life Force) while continuing to insult the rest of us. Your continued affirmations of your powerlessness, is exactly what gives us all another season of disappointment.

You can simply label it the Supply and Demand of "Business Ethics", or Quantum Physics if you like. You get exactly what you demand.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2023, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Again, in a world where "the customer is always right", you being a satisfied customer DIRECTLY tells the Team Management to continue to take your money (and Life Force) while continuing to insult the rest of us. Your continued affirmations of your powerlessness, is exactly what gives us all another season of disappointment.

You can simply label it the Supply and Demand of "Business Ethics", or Quantum Physics if you like. You get exactly what you demand.

Nope, you do not get exactly what you demand.

There's nothing I can do or say that affects the Saints success or failure. That, my friend, is a fact. A fact that you refuse to acknowledge. So be it. Have fun with your wishes. I wish you luck!

01-11-2023, 01:13 PM	#51
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner From one dedicated Fan to another, I thank you for continuing to publicly display how your continued support of the Status Quo, enables it to continue. Just as with the "politics" of anything, your action$ $peak louder than words. Excuse me? When have I said that I am in favor of the status quo? I have said that I am in favor of Loomis, certainly. I have also said that I'd like to see Carmichael replaced. But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens.

01-11-2023, 01:14 PM	#52
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force. (Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!) My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.
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01-11-2023, 01:38 PM	#53
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature. I believe I have a better understanding of my Life Force than do you, Sinner. It is my business if we worked our asses off for our whole lives that spending $5K on season tickets and $10K on lodging and other expenses is no large investment and gives us joy. And for your information, I do not drive home in silence again, and again, and again as you erroneously surmised. I spent the first leg of the trip this past Sunday not only in silence because of the outcome, but more so because I knew it was the final game of the season and it wouldn't be until next preseason that we would have the chance to experience the atmosphere of Saints football in the Dome. There were also late games on NFL Radio to make the time pass quicker. And, not only do I know for a fact that I personally have no ability to affect the outcome of any off-season decisions, but I am also positive that you or any other fan have no ability to affect those outcomes, either. Believing you do is nothing more than lying to yourself. I don't fault you for wishing for those outcomes, nor wanting those outcomes. I don't disagree with many of those wants, either. If any of those desires of yours truly do come about it will be solely because it was the desire of those that truly have the ability to make the decisions. That is a fact.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-11-2023, 01:40 PM	#54
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Excuse me? When have I said that I am in favor of the status quo? I have said that I am in favor of Loomis, certainly. I have also said that I'd like to see Carmichael replaced. But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens. "But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens." THAT ^^^ is known as "Victim Fetish".
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01-11-2023, 01:43 PM	#55
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner "But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens." THAT ^^^ is known as "Victim Fetish". No. It is being grounded in reality, my friend. It is not wasting negative energy on futile dreams.

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01-11-2023, 01:48 PM	#56
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. It is being grounded in reality, my friend. It is not wasting negative energy on futile dreams. In ANY OTHER FIELD OF ENDEAVOR, ANY ONE... if the customer is dissatisfied, the service provider is obligated to make any and all necessary adjustments to bring satisfaction. Your satisfaction (complacency) with what has just transpired, culminating in you just happily sitting back to "see what happens", tells your service provider (Team management) to "Just keep doing what you're doing". I cannot thank you for that.
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01-11-2023, 01:50 PM	#58
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner In ANY OTHER FIELD OF ENDEAVOR, ANY ONE... if the customer is dissatisfied, the service provider is obligated to make any and all necessary adjustments to bring satisfaction. Your satisfaction (complacency) with what has just transpired, culminating in you just happily sitting back to "see what happens", tells your service provider (Team management) to "Just keep doing what you're doing". I cannot thank you for that. Yeah, right. You just keep thinking that, Sinner. Gayle's going to really lose sleep over your personal dissatisfaction.

01-11-2023, 01:53 PM	#59
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Once again, Sinner, I applaud you for wanting what you want for our Saints. I would be pleased with much of it myself. But believing that you can personally assist in bringing about any of the changes yourself is ... I really can't even label it, honestly. Again, in a world where "the customer is always right", you being a satisfied customer DIRECTLY tells the Team Management to continue to take your money (and Life Force) while continuing to insult the rest of us. Your continued affirmations of your powerlessness, is exactly what gives us all another season of disappointment. You can simply label it the Supply and Demand of "Business Ethics", or Quantum Physics if you like. You get exactly what you demand.
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01-11-2023, 01:56 PM	#60
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations From the Saints' Loss to the Panthers Originally Posted by Sinner Again, in a world where "the customer is always right", you being a satisfied customer DIRECTLY tells the Team Management to continue to take your money (and Life Force) while continuing to insult the rest of us. Your continued affirmations of your powerlessness, is exactly what gives us all another season of disappointment. You can simply label it the Supply and Demand of "Business Ethics", or Quantum Physics if you like. You get exactly what you demand. Nope, you do not get exactly what you demand. There's nothing I can do or say that affects the Saints success or failure. That, my friend, is a fact. A fact that you refuse to acknowledge. So be it. Have fun with your wishes. I wish you luck!