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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Opinion. I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us. As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers ...

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Old 01-13-2023, 08:56 AM   #1
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Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Opinion.

I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us.

As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away.

Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic.
Extremely well reasoned opinion.

Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different.

I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that.

The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy.
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Old 01-13-2023, 09:21 AM   #2
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I believe I've said the same here, as well.


Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if we were to get either one of the #2 or #3 picks in this year's draft, but I see no way in Hell that happens especially when the best Denver can offer is the 49er's first way down at the end of the round.
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Old 01-13-2023, 09:24 AM   #3
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And this.

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Extremely well reasoned opinion.

Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different.

I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that.

The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy.
What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post.

Here's what you pasted:

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts.

I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus".

Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted.

I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success.
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Old 01-13-2023, 10:01 AM   #5
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Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post.

Here's what you pasted:

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts.

I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus".

Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted.

I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success.
Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton.

You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.

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Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton.

You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.
Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am.

Let's see what happens.
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Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am.

Let's see what happens.
Once again, believe me, I would absolutely love multiple firsts including #2 or #3. I'm just laying the groundwork that the front office isn't to blame if it turns out to be less than that.

There's an old saying that my great grandfather used to share all the time.

"It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick."

Meaning sometimes it's better to get a little something rather than nothing.
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Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

We need that #3 pick.
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Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton.

You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.
He ain't posturing, he wants to coach. Unless Loomis is an idiot he should try to prison rape who Payton really wants to go to. No other coach out there including McVay comes close to Paytons skill set. The entire NFL knows this. I get 2 1st a 2nd a 3rdor 4th for him or he sits. Pony up
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