Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

rezburna · 01-12-2023, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source?

I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right.

Probably meaning a 1st of some sort, whenever or wherever it may be.

This article by Sigler contains what I see as more realistic estimates on the compensation and his reasoning is dead on.

So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team.

With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer.

That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed.

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

You can read more detail here ...

halloween 65 · 01-12-2023, 04:15 PM

It's going to be the Texans. He would still have a 1st rounder and he could start his building. I would take their 2nd #1 and 2nd rounder this year and their 1st and 3rd next season. I would give them Dennis Allen for a 7/11 slurpy.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 09:37 AM

Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.

This is absolutely the truth. Thus the 1st rounder plus picks for Payton, as Sigler points out.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 11:16 AM

I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes.

And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes.

And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

Again - Unless they have other plans we're not aware of.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 02:26 PM

Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be.

K Major · 01-13-2023, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be.

So what's the negatives on Levis or should I say the "areas for improvement"?

Day 2 selection?

01-13-2023, 07:44 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,856	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right. Probably meaning a 1st of some sort, whenever or wherever it may be. This article by Sigler contains what I see as more realistic estimates on the compensation and his reasoning is dead on. Twitter So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team. With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer. That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed. Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick You can read more detail here ...
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01-13-2023, 09:37 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-13-2023, 09:45 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,856	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges. This is absolutely the truth. Thus the 1st rounder plus picks for Payton, as Sigler points out.

01-13-2023, 11:16 AM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes. And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

01-13-2023, 11:37 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,856	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes. And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise! I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

01-12-2023, 06:45 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,161	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source? I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-12-2023, 04:15 PM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton It's going to be the Texans. He would still have a 1st rounder and he could start his building. I would take their 2nd #1 and 2nd rounder this year and their 1st and 3rd next season. I would give them Dennis Allen for a 7/11 slurpy. dizzle88 and shawnkytonk like this.

01-13-2023, 12:05 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona. Again - Unless they have other plans we're not aware of. iceshack149 likes this.

01-13-2023, 02:26 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be.

01-13-2023, 02:39 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,871 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be. So what's the negatives on Levis or should I say the "areas for improvement"? Day 2 selection?