Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I like the idea of swapping third round picks with them. I don't know if they would give up a first next year or if we could expect a second and a third possibly. Although, I don't know much about his coaching value yet. I am waiting for the rest of the NFL to get into the bidding war.

I think it's important to remember that before any team speaks to Sean Payton they must agree on a proximity of value for Sean. As I understand it each team that wants to interview him must agree to a range of compensation before we would agree. Don't quote me if I'm wrong though. I'm wrong a lot you know.

I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source?

rezburna · 01-12-2023, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source?

I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right.

Probably meaning a 1st of some sort, whenever or wherever it may be.

This article by Sigler contains what I see as more realistic estimates on the compensation and his reasoning is dead on.

So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team.

With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer.

That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed.

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

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AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 09:15 AM

This!

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This!

https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...90939700797447

Opinion.

I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us.

As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away.

Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Opinion.

I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us.

As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away.

Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic.

Extremely well reasoned opinion.

Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different.

I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that.

The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 10:21 AM

I believe I've said the same here, as well.

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if we were to get either one of the #2 or #3 picks in this year's draft, but I see no way in Hell that happens especially when the best Denver can offer is the 49er's first way down at the end of the round.

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AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 10:24 AM

And this.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 10:37 AM

Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.

This is absolutely the truth. Thus the 1st rounder plus picks for Payton, as Sigler points out.

01-12-2023, 05:52 PM	#51
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I like the idea of swapping third round picks with them. I don't know if they would give up a first next year or if we could expect a second and a third possibly. Although, I don't know much about his coaching value yet. I am waiting for the rest of the NFL to get into the bidding war. I think it's important to remember that before any team speaks to Sean Payton they must agree on a proximity of value for Sean. As I understand it each team that wants to interview him must agree to a range of compensation before we would agree. Don't quote me if I'm wrong though. I'm wrong a lot you know. I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source? Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-12-2023, 07:45 PM	#52
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source? I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-13-2023, 08:44 AM	#53
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right. Probably meaning a 1st of some sort, whenever or wherever it may be. This article by Sigler contains what I see as more realistic estimates on the compensation and his reasoning is dead on. Twitter So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team. With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer. That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed. Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick You can read more detail here ...
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01-13-2023, 09:15 AM	#54
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This! https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...90939700797447 Opinion. I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us. As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away. Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic. K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Opinion. I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us. As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away. Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic. Extremely well reasoned opinion. Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different. I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that. The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-13-2023, 10:21 AM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton I believe I've said the same here, as well. Twitter Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if we were to get either one of the #2 or #3 picks in this year's draft, but I see no way in Hell that happens especially when the best Denver can offer is the 49er's first way down at the end of the round. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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01-13-2023, 10:45 AM	#60
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges. This is absolutely the truth. Thus the 1st rounder plus picks for Payton, as Sigler points out.