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BakoSaint 03-10-2023 10:02 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Cap conversions are a useful tool but the best way to utilize them is not on a year to year survival basis digging out of massive cap debt ahead of the start of every league year like we do. The biggest problem with our strategy is that is means you don't have the money to undo a big mistake in free agency. If you sign a total dud to a megadeal and quickly realize its a mistake, its important to have the cap room to take a $20-40 million cap hit now to save $50-80 million cap in the long run. You also get a lot more comp picks and trade picks if all your contracts don't end with voidable years that make both comp picks and franchise tags impossible.

The way to use cap conversions is not just to forever be funding 2023 team on 2024 cap dollar and so on. The way to use them is in moderation and with timing. So maybe you do a cap conversion to bring in a franchise changing player widely considered top 5 at their position. Or to free up money to take the cap hit to get rid of a big mistake. Denver might have cap conversions in its future if Wilson has to be cut in a couple years. But best of all, if you didn't need cap conversions the previous year, and haven't already spent 2023's money in 2022, you can spend BOTH 2023's money and 2024's money disproprionately in 2023 if you feel this is your window, and you can field a super team while you are in that window.

We are not timing windows. We are not fielding super teams. We are living paycheck to paycheck at the payday loan. And as a result, we can't cut bad contracts, we roll with 25% dead money and more than that in Andrus Peat style zombie money on our roster every year, we don't get many comp picks even when we lose lots of stars, and we could not apply the franchise tag in many cases if we wanted to, yet we have to compete with super teams that used cap conversion more selectively to maximize their talent a couple years during a key window and were willing to rebuild when that window was closed so they could be fielding super teams again in a couple years with a young affordable QB.

AsylumGuido 03-10-2023 11:39 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Here's the alternative to the Loomis/Harley brand of cap management. Enjoy the misery Titans fans.


Rugby Saint II 03-10-2023 12:47 PM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971124)
Here's the alternative to the Loomis/Harley brand of cap management. Enjoy the misery Titans fans.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/s...33960107737088

I was a Houston Oiler fan when they went to Tennessee and liked them under Jeff Fisher well enough to pull for them when I lived in Chattanooga. Jeff Fisher just retired from the USFL two months before the start of this season and is being replaced by former NFL coach Mike Nolan for anyone who is interested in trivia.

saintsfan1976 03-12-2023 07:38 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
25MM to go

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...ints/cap/2023/

Rugby Saint II 03-12-2023 02:11 PM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971205)

Pocket change for Khai Harley. The rest is off the books soon. :biglaser:

AsylumGuido 03-13-2023 11:33 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 



saintsfan1976 03-13-2023 11:35 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Next.

AsylumGuido 03-13-2023 11:37 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971250)
Next.



saintsfan1976 03-13-2023 12:22 PM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Winston next
Thomas next
Lattimore???

Should get us in a spot to sign draft picks. Which is est $9MM according to Spotrac


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 08:40 AM

Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971254)
Winston next
Thomas next
Lattimore???

Should get us in a spot to sign draft picks. Which is est $9MM according to Spotrac


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/



Michael Thomas will probably be coming through soon.


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