Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Yup. In other words nothing that can change anything. I get your perceived problems. You have made them quite well known, even to the point it has caused one very loyal member to totally avoid the forum because of your incessant negativity. Have at it. :rolleyes:

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

This is pretty much the way I saw it. He had games that pissed me off, but he had others that were on point, I felt.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Did I just "perceive" that we lost to the Bucs and the Panthers - TWICE each?
And finished next to LAST PLACE in our pathetic division? Or am I just "perceiving" that that's a problem?

If any "very loyal member" can't take incessant negativity on a team's Fan Forum, they need to take it up with the incessantly sucky team, not the Forum.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Sinner -

It’s more than a “few” that feel as we do.

Only short sighted individuals believe that a substitute teacher (DA) can actual win at this level :rolleyes:. Retaining Pete C as OC is an absolute joke & embarrassment.

The Saints organization is becoming a clown show.

Brace yourself, 2023 is gonna be rough.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I am bracing myself K... Meanwhile, there's a mosquito in my tent, buzzing "Kumbaya"

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

We get it, Major. We know your feelings. Going on and on and on about it accomplishes what? Every thread started here turns into a ***** fest from you and Sinner. You're running people off with this.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Glad you're sticking around Guido. It's (almost) therapeutic.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

"Here's how I see it.

The coaching staff has to tighten up, be more creative and figure out how to establish an offensive identity that meshes with the personnel. They didn't do those things well enough last season. They have to now.

They're doubling down. It has to work."

Translation:

"The Titanic has to lighten up. Be more buoyant and figure out how to establish a sea-worthy identity that meshes with being above water. It didn't do that thing well enough last season (when it collided with an iceberg named Sam Darnold, among many others), it has to now.

It's rolling over in its grave on the ocean floor. It has to work."

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

If Dalton is our #1 QB then very little is going to change.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I agree and I expect the coaching staff will, as well. That was a major part of our problem last season.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I can only see AG's post because you quoted it...
Attachment 14051 Total lack of self-awareness. This guy has made many great posters on this site leave out of frustration. He's the worst troll I've ever witnessed.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Russell Wilson was good with Pete Carroll. Pete Carmichael was good with Sean Payton and Drew Brees.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

You are in no position to throw stones Sir.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Sad but true.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments.

He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study.:smokin:

I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' :chug:

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

:bng:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/uj43M...giphy.gif&ct=g

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I didn't expect any major changes especially while the Pelicans are doing so well. Why rock the boat? Their minds are clearly elsewhere right now besides the Saints.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Brees retired.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

"If you enter into an argument with a fool, he has already won"

~ African Proverb

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

This is true. Even if we had got a new OC like we all had wanted we would have still had to accomplish most or all of these things to improve the offense.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

The Saints deserve every bit of FAILURE that's headed their way in 2023.

This type of thinking/MINDSET does not stand in 98% of all other organizations. Front office is becoming a joke. Easily the worse team in the league at the moment.

Essentially force someone who publicly declared no interest in the role. Pete has done a TERRIBLE job in 2022 & yet here we are business as usual, with no changes.

Don't be surprised if Loomis and co get LOWBALLED for SP.

Loomis & Mrs. Benson will need to learn the hard way that continuity & stability doesn't sell tickets - winning does.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Sounds like someone is going to be so very disappointed when the Saints win.

:bng:

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

It's the sad folks who keep pouring their hard-earned money and "moral support" into this "Just keep doing what you're doing" machine, that need to learn how to pull back, and become part of the solution. The bean counters do notice, when fans become disgruntled. Basically, that's the bottom line.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Interesting thought here. Seems to me that Drew Brees would be perfect in the role of QB coach and calling plays on gameday.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Sure, I get that, but I don't think the offensive success of the Paytonless season a decade ago is really relevant to today.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Mehhhhh...

More feckless leadership coming in 2023 it would seem if the majority of this season was any indicator of the future.

I can be faithful while being without hope.

There's a reason he's been an O-Coord on paper for over a decade and not receiving Head Coach gigs. The fact that this nugget of reality is being overlooked chips away at my hope. Every time I saw #7 and #41 walk off the field on 3rd down and shorts this season I just heard this pinging sound.

Turns out it was hammer of truth chipping away at my hope.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

He has actually taken over playcalling a few other times, Fin. He was the playcaller when Payton broke his leg in 2011 against the Colts. We won that game 62-7, the most points ever scored by the Saints. He also handled playcalling in the first several games of 2016 when we scored 32 or more in four of five games. I just don't understand how or why he suddenly became so conservative this past season unless the plan was to not make mistakes and rely upon the defense. If so I'm sure they have garnered the fact that this didn't work very well. If Carmichael does truly retain the playcalling duties I fully expect a more aggressive approach.

Edit: Here's more on Carmichael's playcalling. He actually called the rest of the 2011 season after Payton's injury.

2011


The Saints averaged 452 yards per game in their first five games before Payton got injured and had to cede play calling to Carmichael and 474 yards for the final 11 regular-season games after that. The Saints set numerous offensive records that season behind Carmichael and Payton, including most yards gained in a season.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I can understand what you're saying, but I can never give up hope. I've been hoping for 55 years and this coming year is no different. I believe quite a few people will be pleasantly surprised.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

In that case I would say Loomis is not acting with the Saints' best intentions in mind, since playing it like that would cause them to lose out on promising candidates to replace those leaving.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Unless they already have someone in mind that they know will be there. Who knows.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

As a long time devoted Saint's Fan, NOTHING would give me more pleasure than being proven wrong about my perception of our current state of affairs.

I KNOW that you cannot say the same, and I understand why.

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

I’m currently undecided about how I feel about Carmichael. He had basically back up qbs to work with and two rookies as our top two receivers for most of the season. We all know what he was capable of with a good qb so let’s go out and get him one and see what he can do. Going to a game can really allow you to see the whole field better and I can assure you, guys we’re getting open, just crappy qb play for the most part. Makes me feel like he can still be productive for game day. On the other hand, I’d like a fresh new mind that can bring in some new innovative ideas to fit the modern NFL. Enter Booby Slowik