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Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays.
Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season.
So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy.

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I think it's wise to wait until more moves (or lack of) have been made.

I'm trying not to get caught up in knee jerk reactions.

It's entirely possible another mind is brought on to learn Pete's system while Pete is on staff and then eventually take it to new levels.

That's my hope anyway.

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It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal.

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Bingo! I was at every home game and we had open receivers all the time. Dalton was either making a single read/throwing it away, missing the receiver, or hitting the open guy and he just plain dropped it. Sure, Carmichael was what I thought too conservative on 1st and 2nd downs, but maybe he simply didn't have confidence in the QB.

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Exactly my thinking there, cmike.

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Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain.

One other thing is I keep hearing coaches getting compared to people in other jobs. It's not like that at all. The coaching pool is relatively small, unlike other potential workers in other businesses. Like it or not they do look out for each. Always have and always will. You fire a guy today and you might be looking for a position with that guy two years from now. It is absolutely the way it is, like it or not.

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Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

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He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

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See post #61 :bng:.

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Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended.

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Yup. Seeing the same thing with Dalton out there. We need some sort of threat at QB or Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't help.

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Kind of where I stand.

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It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

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Watching the Jags and Chiefs call plays yesterday made me realize more than ever there's A LOT of improvement that needs to be made to our offensive approach. We have quite a ways to go to be competent.

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How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

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My two cents:
Pete had all the time in the world to ride right seat and see learn how the Saints were supposed to roll while coaching with SP. After all of that time, he finally got his chance to get behind the wheel. But instead of taking the wheel and rolling out, his play calling seems timid and inept. It's baffling how he was along for the ride all of those years and not able to make the transition to effectively drive the scoring!

This makes me kind of dubious about what he'll do differently in 2023.

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HARSH (BUT NECESSARY) REALITY CHECK ^^^

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Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

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Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

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I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism.

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LMAO !! Refer to POST #61.

And right on queue, the mediocrity MINDSET poster responds to defend :p.

I only responded (ignore function is WONDERFUL) because I see you quoted his post.

If other opinions on this board doesn’t “jive” with his thoughts, it’s perceived as negative. Saintfan called it on this clown last year.

Meanwhile Dennis, Carmichael will stink it up again in 2023.

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On cue, *****in' and moanin'. :D

And, yes, that ignore function is great!

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IMAGINE a Fan Forum, or any situation really, where there is no "*****in and moanin" - while dismal season after dismal season rolls on, completely unchecked and accepted. A compliant, complacent, robotic world. Much more negative at its core, than any *****in' and moanin'.

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I'm not defending "anything the Saints do", in fact I've been very vocal in my criticism. I even stated Pete wasn't effective without SP...

If you're suggesting the Offensive Coordinator of the last 16 years wasn't designing plays throughout the week then I'm not sure there's much more to debate about because that's just not plausible.

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I have to assume Pete won't be in sole possession of the offense moving forward.

Let's see what moves the Saints make next.

There's still an entire off-season ahead...

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Agreed. The word "stale" came up a lot.

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This one hits hard, as it shines a spotlight on the deluded people that will destroy friendships with people that they actually know arguing over people whom they have never met and will never meet. Most often done with layers or false virtue, proclamations of empathy, and an air of some fictional greater understanding.


“I’d rather lose an argument to you, than lose you to an argument.”

Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff
 

Since we made a QB our highest paid TE and then fired the TE coach when that didn't work, maybe our next big coaching change will be to give Adam Troutman a big raise, start him at QB, and make firing the QB coach our only move in the next offseason if that doesn't work.

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I'm detecting a slight bit of sarcasm there Bako :p

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I was thinking the same thing watching the games this weekend. One play in particular, it was 3rd or 4th and inches and the QB pitched the ball outside to the RB and the team made 7 yards on the play. The Saints would've tried to punch it up the middle and would have been stopped.

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And yet, we retain the same offensive coordinator and play caller. It's just beyond me what the front office is thinking right now.