What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

K Major · 03-05-2023, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up.

69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years

Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years.

I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year.

The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do.

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker

?

subguy · 03-05-2023, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

K Major · 03-05-2023, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices).

My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA)

. If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month.

I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr.

I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though.

To be continued ...

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2023, 02:32 PM

rezburna · 03-05-2023, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices).

My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month.

I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr.

I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though.

To be continued ...

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2023, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Dennis Allen may feel like Carr gives him a better chance of winning next season and after last season he's looking over his shoulder and wants to win now. He might not get a couple of years to develop a rookie if we aren't winning now.

If we don't draft Hendon Hooker I'll be seriously disappointed in the front offices' vision for the New Orleans Saints future which is still win now at all costs. I am not sold on Carr coming in and leading us back to relevance but he's really the best available from a limited mid tier QB pool.

I'm not so sure we couldn't win now with Hendon Hooker if we build the right system for him rather than pigeon holing him in Drews old play book. I just don't know if we have the right coaches to develop a dual threat QB. He's great in the pocket and somewhat elusive but he thrives with designed runs too.

halloween 65 · 03-05-2023, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

Rugby Saint II · 03-05-2023, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move.

Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year.

David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though.

Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down.

He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous.

If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.

SmashMouth · 03-05-2023, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move.

Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year.

David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though.

Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down.

He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous.

If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.

Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters !

Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

rezburna · 03-06-2023, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

Carr is also 31 with no playoff wins and he’s 63-79 as a starter. If I had to choose between the two I’m taking he unproven Hendon Hooker based off what I saw at Virginia Tech and Tennessee.

As far as Carr being better in “our” system, “our” system is in Denver. That quarterback friendly system is with Payton. As we saw last year, Carmichael ain’t it.

If we get Carr and Hooker I’d be happy.
If we get just Hooker I’d be happy.
If we get Carr and no Hooker I’m pissed.

03-05-2023, 10:27 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by dizzle88 The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up. 69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years. I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year. The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do. So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

03-05-2023, 10:58 AM	#2
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

03-05-2023, 01:27 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by subguy Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks? Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices). My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month. I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr. I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though. To be continued ...

03-05-2023, 02:32 PM	#4
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03-05-2023, 03:24 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major Nope. From all of the reports, his progress is on track & will be "ready" by the start of camp. Other guys from Day 2 - Will Levis, Tanner McKee & Richardson (none would be my choices). My thing from listening at Loomis is his talking of "long-term solution" @ QB with DCarr (assuming he signs in NOLA) . If they truly feel like he's their answer, I don't see the Saints taking a QB next month. I want the Saints to draft a QB though regardless of what happens with Carr. I'm just not feeling that 35-40M for a Free agent. Apparently, that's the market price though. To be continued ... If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr.

03-05-2023, 03:54 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,189	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by rezburna If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. Dennis Allen may feel like Carr gives him a better chance of winning next season and after last season he's looking over his shoulder and wants to win now. He might not get a couple of years to develop a rookie if we aren't winning now. If we don't draft Hendon Hooker I'll be seriously disappointed in the front offices' vision for the New Orleans Saints future which is still win now at all costs. I am not sold on Carr coming in and leading us back to relevance but he's really the best available from a limited mid tier QB pool. I'm not so sure we couldn't win now with Hendon Hooker if we build the right system for him rather than pigeon holing him in Drews old play book. I just don't know if we have the right coaches to develop a dual threat QB. He's great in the pocket and somewhat elusive but he thrives with designed runs too.
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03-05-2023, 04:12 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by rezburna If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. Carr is proven, Hooker isn't.

03-05-2023, 06:14 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,189	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Carr is proven, Hooker isn't. I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move. Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year. David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though. Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down. He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous. If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year.
	There Are Two Kinds Of People In This World Being A Rugby Player Is Better Than Both Of Them Last edited by Rugby Saint II; 03-05-2023 at 06:26 PM..

03-05-2023, 06:57 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,978 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by rezburna If Carr means no Hooker I don’t want Carr. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Carr is proven, Hooker isn't. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I've always liked Carr and wanted to sign him until I fell in love with Hendon Hooker. National media and Saints writers have covered every aspect of his bio, his PFF stats, detailed analysis, and break down of his film since they benched him in a cheap cost saving move. Most mid tier QB's don't have longevity in the NFL and if I remember correctly he's already 28 and has no playoff wins. Kurt Warner leads the list of late blooming QB's but they are the exception and not the norm in the NFL. Geno Smith broke out late in his career last year. David Carr has the potential to be a good to very good QB but he currently ranks at the bottom of top tier QB's in the NFL. He's at the top of the mid level QB's in the NFL. Maybe Sean Payton could develop and elevate Carr elite to elite status. I have my doubts about Pete Carmichael and Dennis Allen getting that done though. Hooker isn't proven. You are correct. Although, he does have a high ceiling and low floor. He also fits the profile of the mobile QB that the NFL is transitioning to. He reads the field well and consistently gets good yards when he tucks the ball on a designed run or when protection breaks down. He is accurate on his short to intermediate throws which fits the west coast style we run and looks comfortable dumping off to the check down. His deep ball has a sweet touch. He doesn't have a canon but he's accurate and he's extremely smart with the ball. His interception to TD ratio is ridiculous. If not for his injury he would have been considered one of the top QB prospects this year. Print the Hooker T-shirts ! Make a deal with HOOTERS! Hooker's Hooters ! Carr isn't worth the price for a middle of the road QB.

03-06-2023, 07:32 AM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Carr is proven, Hooker isn't. Carr is also 31 with no playoff wins and he’s 63-79 as a starter. If I had to choose between the two I’m taking he unproven Hendon Hooker based off what I saw at Virginia Tech and Tennessee. As far as Carr being better in “our” system, “our” system is in Denver. That quarterback friendly system is with Payton. As we saw last year, Carmichael ain’t it. If we get Carr and Hooker I’d be happy. If we get just Hooker I’d be happy. If we get Carr and no Hooker I’m pissed.
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